CIC planning

[Viper61]

To all that do the planning for our sides.  As you do your planning you need to take into consideration what the squads you assign have flown during the last frames.  This keeps the good rides rotating around and we all share in the discomfort of flying planes we really don't want to.

To the ALLIED CIC going into Frame 03:  The 325th VFG has flown bombers twice (Frame 1 and 2).  I don't want bombers again for Frame 03.

Viper61

[APDrone]

To all that do the planning for our sides.  As you do your planning you need to take into consideration what the squads you assign have flown during the last frames.  This keeps the good rides rotating around and we all share in the discomfort of flying planes we really don't want to.

This.

Used to be the CiC would send out a ride-request e-mail before cutting orders.  That would be the time to point out requests like Viper61 did.  We would have done the same for a few of the other FSOs of late.  Very disappointing to spend the 2nd and/or 3rd frames in 'crud' planes you endured in the first frame.

[Dantoo]

OK got it!  Viper wants buffs again! 

[Viper61]

APDrone good pick up.  I know we use to do that but I will tell you that with the number of squads now even I gave up on asking when you only get 1/3 to 1/2 of the squads replying.  In fact i often question just how many squads even read these post's.....  So I go with the squad requests from the Special Events area.  And most squads keep that up to date.

And the CIC's cant figure out what everyone has been flying either unless its easy in Frame 3 or the CIC goes back through the FSO Logs.

What I think would be helpful for the CIC in the planning is a list or spreadsheet with all squads listed and what type of plane they flew over the last 6 frames from the point of planning.  Meaning older frames drop as new ones play out.  Just an easy public record to see and use.  In fact it could say nothing but fighter or bomber or both.  That way all squads get a chance to fly the not so glamorous rides.  And the CIC during the planning could take into account past AC assignments and a squads request for bombers only or to fly a historic plane to that squad in which he or she represents.  This would have to be a CM task unfortunately in order to keep it correct and untamperable.  And just an attachment that would be sent out to the CIC's on Sunday with their Orders.  It doesn't need to be posted publicly either.

I don't expect it all to be exactly even, but at least fair and easy for the CIC.

In this way when a squad requests not to be put back in bombers again you can see how you rack and stack against the rest of the squads.

[Viper61]

DANTOO....................... ...... My friend       

[APDrone]

APDrone good pick up.  I know we use to do that but I will tell you that with the number of squads now even I gave up on asking when you only get 1/3 to 1/2 of the squads replying.  In fact i often question just how many squads even read these post's.....  So I go with the squad requests from the Special Events area.  And most squads keep that up to date.

The thing I liked about asking for ride requests is that the squad COs then had a specific e-mail addy to respond to.  That way you know that any requests aren't going to somebody who doesn't check their e-mail very often.    As far as 1/3 to 1/2 half response, that just means that those not responding don't care enough what they fly to have an opinion.  That actually isn't that bad for the CiC.  You tend to those with reasonable requests, first, then assign out the rest to those not specifying anything.

You  can't use the FSO Registration sheet, as it can't be updated after the sides have been decided.  ( how many ride requests turn out to be for aircraft that the squad can't even fly, since they're assigned to the other country? )

My personal opinion.. have the frame CiC send out ride requests first thing Sat. morning, with responses due by noon the following day (Sunday.)  Then they have 3 days to cut the orders.  Any squads who care enough to specify their requests get their chance then.   Probably would have saved some heartache for us.

[Squire]

Something else I dont want to see is a set of orders just copied and pasted from a previous frame. Do the orders yourself and do a good job. CiC duty comes round maybe twice a year? and we expect a level of participation from those assigned. When its your turn do it right. Its payback for all the frames where you didn't have to do orders but somebody else did. 

[razmataz]

After pulling CIC duty a few times I realized how nice it is when the Squad Co's just put fighter, or bomber in the ride request form. I do feel bad if I can't give any particular squad there requested ride, some CIC's never read the ride request form. But the over all mission comes first and the size of the squad is in my opinion the biggest determining factor on who gets what when I pull CIC duty. That's why I normally just type in "anything" in the ride request form, hoping to make CIC's job a little easier for those CIC's who do read the list. Makes it kind of exciting waiting for orders to come out Wednesday night and everybody's asking. "What did we get, what did we get, what did we get" lol.
This frame I requested everything but the P-38, I don't have any P-38 flying skills at all. Was hoping and crossing fingers for B-17's and we have been fortunate enough to get them in both frames . If we get them a 3rd frame I'm alright with that. I'm good with anything really even 38's, just means it will be a shorter frame for me lol .

[Dantoo]

OK got the Checks in Buffs, Check - Gunnies in Forktails - and am cleverly cut and pasting the Axis orders from last week by just putting Allied in here and there.  Looks slick!

Can't remember ever getting a ride I didn't ask for myself. 

[UncleKurt]

Suppose, just maybe that's why I do a ride matrix each time I CiC?? Other CiC's do too. Just sayin! 

[razmataz]

LOL Dantoo. Sounds good to me I'll fly anything except a cargo plane full of rubber dog $%!+ to Hong Kong. I think thats how that line goes in the movie 

[CAP1]

APDrone good pick up.  I know we use to do that but I will tell you that with the number of squads now even I gave up on asking when you only get 1/3 to 1/2 of the squads replying.  In fact i often question just how many squads even read these post's.....  So I go with the squad requests from the Special Events area.  And most squads keep that up to date.

And the CIC's cant figure out what everyone has been flying either unless its easy in Frame 3 or the CIC goes back through the FSO Logs.

What I think would be helpful for the CIC in the planning is a list or spreadsheet with all squads listed and what type of plane they flew over the last 6 frames from the point of planning.  Meaning older frames drop as new ones play out.  Just an easy public record to see and use.  In fact it could say nothing but fighter or bomber or both.  That way all squads get a chance to fly the not so glamorous rides.  And the CIC during the planning could take into account past AC assignments and a squads request for bombers only or to fly a historic plane to that squad in which he or she represents.  This would have to be a CM task unfortunately in order to keep it correct and untamperable.  And just an attachment that would be sent out to the CIC's on Sunday with their Orders.  It doesn't need to be posted publicly either.

I don't expect it all to be exactly even, but at least fair and easy for the CIC.

In this way when a squad requests not to be put back in bombers again you can see how you rack and stack against the rest of the squads.

 i took that spreadsheet you made for me.....and thank you btw.........i added in the frame 1 allied rides, then went to page 2, and listed the axis frame 1 and frame 2 rides, just as you'd set it up on page 1. i then saved each one as a pdf file, and emailed each one to the respective sides.

 when i do my next set, i will include something like this in each frame, in order to help the cic's choose who flies what.

 on that note, i thought i heard you saying something about asking dantoo to put the 325th in 24's again? 

[TheBug]

I had started this on AHWiki http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/FSO_Squadron_missions when the same thing happened to a previous squad I was in but it never really took off.  I don't think it happens enough for squads feel the time spent would be required.  But I still think it would be a helpful tool.   

[CAP1]

I had started this on AHWiki http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/FSO_Squadron_missions when the same thing happened to a previous squad I was in but it never really took off.  I don't think it happens enough for squads feel the time spent would be required.  But I still think it would be a helpful tool.   

 was/is that made from a simple spreadsheet>?

[captain1ma]

its much easier when you're the cic for the first frame!!   

as a habit, i always go back see what everyone flew in the last frame, and try not to give them the same plane.