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Offline Mickthestick

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Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« on: August 12, 2012, 02:59:58 PM »
Gotta love stories like this. I'm sure the 30 days in jail will teach him a good lesson though. If you want water, even that which naturally falls or flows onto your own property, you must first grovel before the city government.

I think the next logical step will be regulating the free use of air.

http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/30/man-arrested-for-collecting-rainwater-on-his-property/

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 03:02:18 PM »
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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 03:03:15 PM »
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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 03:13:19 PM »
Gotta love stories like this. I'm sure the 30 days in jail will teach him a good lesson though. If you want water, even that which naturally falls or flows onto your own property, you must first grovel before the city government.

I think the next logical step will be regulating the free use of air.

http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/30/man-arrested-for-collecting-rainwater-on-his-property/

"Naturally falls and flows"?  It sounds like he had build 3 illegal reservoirs that he did not have permits for.

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 03:19:34 PM »
Fine, 2 can play it that game.  When it snows, the government can come and clear "their snow" from the backyards, frontyards and roofs of each home.  If you have to do it, you can bill them for your service.   :old:
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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 03:21:29 PM »
"Naturally falls and flows"?  It sounds like he had build 3 illegal reservoirs that he did not have permits for.


you cant be serious.....have to get "Permits" to collect rain water.....thats absurd.

this is a perfect example of...........ehhhh never mind

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 03:24:22 PM »

you cant be serious.....have to get "Permits" to collect rain water.....thats absurd.

this is a perfect example of...........ehhhh never mind

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 03:30:53 PM »
"Naturally falls and flows"?  It sounds like he had build 3 illegal reservoirs that he did not have permits for.

"The law established that the city of Medford would hold the rights to all the sources of water in the Big Butte Creek watershed and tributaries."

I think the point of this man's conflict is that the illegality of those reservoirs is itself an abuse of lawmaking.

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 03:32:11 PM »

you cant be serious.....have to get "Permits" to collect rain water.....thats absurd.

this is a perfect example of...........ehhhh never mind

You actually bit that bait?  :headscratch: or well, you bit it then spit it out.

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 03:33:09 PM »
"Naturally falls and flows"?  It sounds like he had build 3 illegal reservoirs that he did not have permits for.
He had permits..."the state arbitrarily revoked them..."  What if he was a rancher & watering his cattle in those tanks. In Texas these are everywhere so the ranchers don't have to haul water or dig wells...bullies is right. :furious
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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 03:41:41 PM »
He tried to do the right thing and get the permits.  Bet he don't pull one for the underground bunker.

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 03:55:20 PM »
Complete BS, IMO.  Shouldn't be able to govern Mother Nature. 
Shame on them for even trying.  :furious   

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 04:08:25 PM »
"Naturally falls and flows"?  It sounds like he had build 3 illegal reservoirs that he did not have permits for.

I have to agree with Grizz on this one... he wasn't collecting rain water off his roof (which is illegal in some places), he was changing the flow of water entirely. I know the government is forcing permits because it needs to make money, but those reservoirs also need to be monitored for potential flooding.

edit: If someone buys property in the Rocky Mountains, does that mean he can stop the flow of all water off the mountain? The line must be drawn some where.
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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 04:18:44 PM »
I have to agree with Grizz on this one... he wasn't collecting rain water off his roof (which is illegal in some places), he was changing the flow of water entirely. I know the government is forcing permits because it needs to make money, but those reservoirs also need to be monitored for potential flooding.

edit: If someone buys property in the Rocky Mountains, does that mean he can stop the flow of all water off the mountain? The line must be drawn some where.

Collecting rain water in a hole on your property and stopping 'the flow of all water off the mountain' are so far apart in magnitude and potential effect, the line you're drawing is more like a really thick rectangle. The whole concept of private property might as well be tossed out if you're going to allow this level of oversight on such a vast territory.

Your first point is valid. The government needs to make money, so, naturally, they're manufacturing criminals.

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Re: Man arrested for collecting rainwater on his own property
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 04:21:11 PM »
There is a long history of the government having to create rules to protect downstream residents/ranchers/farmers from activities of those upstream.  The movie Pale Rider has a pretty good example of one way activity upstream can destroy the livelihood of those living downstream, ruin property values, etc. when the bad guys divert the river away from the placer mining camp.  Enough residents, ranchers, farmers, etc. diverting even a tiny bit of water can either instantly or over time completely change the ecological balance downstream due to reduced or diverted water flow.

On the flip side, the laws often have no way to allow for truly insignificant upstream water usage simply because everyone that lives even one foot downstream has an interest in not allowing the upstream guys to divert or hold any water that would otherwise flow downstream.  So instead of coming up with ways to measure cumulative effects or drawing a line as to what is and is not allowable use, they simply pass a blanket law that bans all such activity and then arbitrarily enforce it whenever someone catches the attention of the city/county/state or arouses the ire of a downstream resident with enough money to force the lawsuit through.

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