IS line of tanks...............

[Eric19]

after reading a bit on the IS-1 and 2 i think it would be a great candidate for AH simply because it would be a soviet heavy tank and we don't have one of those yet neither does the american side but the IS-2 would one hell of a tank if we got it 122mm gun able to penetrate the front armor plate on a panther from head on granted it only carried 28 rounds and and only fired about 2 rounds a minute it would provide a very good chalenging tank to any good tanker we have in AH

[Tank-Ace]

More EW and MW stuff first.

[Tracerfi]

after reading a bit on the IS-1 and 2 i think it would be a great candidate for AH simply because it would be a soviet heavy tank and we don't have one of those yet neither does the american side but the IS-2 would one hell of a tank if we got it 122mm gun able to penetrate the front armor plate on a panther from head on granted it only carried 28 rounds and and only fired about 2 rounds a minute it would provide a very good chalenging tank to any good tanker we have in AH

But it would be practically unbeatable  and it would be perked through the Roof

[save]

Both Panthers, Tigers ,basically all heavy German contemporary AFV could deal with the IS2
Only after the IS2 got its D25-T gun it was competing fully against them.

[Butcher]

IS-1 only seen far limited combat, most were refitted right off the bat to IS-2, difference is IS-1 had 85mm gun while IS-2 had 122mm gun.

IS-2 was produced in pretty good numbers, seen combat all over the eastern front and did combat the german heavies quite fine.

Slopped Armor, good firepower, top speed was 23mph, secondary armament was the famous DShK machine gun, which gives it a 50cal anti aircraft gun on top along with two DT machine guns.

Perk wise would be interesting to see, 122mm can combat a tiger/panther, but its ROF being 2-4PM with the best crews, makes it more of a breakthrough tank rather then tank killer.

In all, I'd like seeing it added with SU-100, 32mph Speeds with sloped armor and 100mm gun that matches the best of the german AFV's.

[RedBull1]

after reading a bit on the IS-1 and 2 i think it would be a great candidate for AH simply because it would be a soviet heavy tank and we don't have one of those yet neither does the american side but the IS-2 would one hell of a tank if we got it 122mm gun able to penetrate the front armor plate on a panther from head on granted it only carried 28 rounds and and only fired about 2 rounds a minute it would provide a very good chalenging tank to any good tanker we have in AH

Yes 100x YES, IS line of tanks are just sexy

[Tank-Ace]

But it would be practically unbeatable  and it would be perked through the Roof

It would be about equal to the Tiger I in tank vs tank combat. Tiger I has mobility, amament, and optics, IS-2 has armor and low profile.


Really, it would be perked at maybe 40-50 max. You just can't do a lot in a fight with 2-3 rounds a minute.

[Tracerfi]

It would be about equal to the Tiger I in tank vs tank combat. Tiger I has mobility, amament, and optics, IS-2 has armor and low profile.


Really, it would be perked at maybe 40-50 max. You just can't do a lot in a fight with 2-3 rounds a minute.

TRUE TANK MAN TRUE

[Butcher]

Assuming which version of the IS-2 were getting....

IS-2(1944) which the majority were built of the IS-2 line would be whats added into Aces High.

23 MPH vs 25 of a Tiger? neither wins a mobility contest.
Armor: IS-2 had sloped armor, extremely low profile - excellent armor.
Armament: Early IS-2's were breakthrough tanks with a low velocity 122mm gun I see no point in adding this in game, 1944 version had the D25-T with better optics and can easily stand toe to toe with a Tiger/Panther, however Tiger does have a better Anti-tank gun.

As for perk price this would be debatable, both tanks squared off have an equal advantage of killing each other, Tiger fires faster other then that nothing.
Tiger is what 28 perks? I can see IS-2 being maybe 30.

Early Model IS-2 has no advantage, it was simply a breakthrough tank designed for fortifications, D25-T was on equal par with the Panther's 75mm L/70 just slower reload time, HE rounds however were known to kill tank crews, I doubt this will be modeled in game - making the HE round useless unless for buildings.

In all if you manage to score a hit, you'd kill a Panther/Tiger - otherwise you are dead, I see no reason to be higher then 30 perks.

[Eric19]

no doubt there butcher by the way I had no idea the early IS-2 had a low volecity 122mm gun ty for info man

[Butcher]

no doubt there butcher by the way I had no idea the early IS-2 had a low volecity 122mm gun ty for info man

IS-2M operated like the Tiger tank, in small combat groups that roamed the battlefield to sectors that were going to attack and needed something to smash the defenses.
Basically the Soviets adopted tactics to pick the weakest spot in the defensive line and attack, causing a breakthrough and circle around the positions, instead of facing tanks head on they simply faced Pazerfaust and Pak 40 anti-tank guns.

There were so few tiger/Panthers that the IS-2 was simply not needed to face tanks, rather the defensive positions posed the biggest problems at the time - they figure they could force a breakthrough in the line - then cram as many tanks and infantry through it.

From all the debates I've seen I've come to this conclusion:
IS-2 was NOT a tank destroyer, or a main battle tank, it was more of a support tank if anything like the StuG line of tanks the Germans had - it could of very easily mounted the 100mm gun and been a tank killer, rather the Russians needed a Breakthrough tank more importantly.

Panthers and Tigers are the better tank killers, however IS-2 simply played a different role, as far as Tiger II - it simply cannot be compared, the IS-2 weighed more then the Panther and far less then the Tiger - let alone Tiger II.

A good book to find is called Osprey - IS-2 Heavy Tank 1944-73
Its out on the internet in PDF form, was lucky to find it for a $1 on amazon

[Tank-Ace]

All IS-2's had a relatively low velocity 122mm.

It wasn't a super high velocity gun, like the 75mm L'70, or the 88mm L'71, but it certianly wasn't a low velocity gun like the 75mm L'24.

[Eric19]

muzzle velocity for the A19 gun was 800m/s which is 2624ft/s now correct if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure thats more muzzle velocity than the panzer H or F or tiger1 or any of the M4s and the M18 so I wouldn't call that a very low velocity gun

[Butcher]

muzzle velocity for the A19 gun was 800m/s which is 2624ft/s now correct if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure thats more muzzle velocity than the panzer H or F or tiger1 or any of the M4s and the M18 so I wouldn't call that a very low velocity gun

Velocity depends on a few factors... Sure its no where equal to a Panther's L-70.... however in terms of armor penetration the 122mm does just fine in the tank killing capabilities being low velocity and I think its on par with a Panther's L70.

122 mm M-1931/37 A-19, D-25 L/46.5 is standard 122mm early IS-2's used.

122 mm 1943 D-25 T L/431 is what IS-2(1944) used.

Here's penetration difference at 1000 yards:
A-19: 155mm at 1000 yards, APHE: 190mm at 1000 yards
D-25: 204mm at 1000 yards
Standard AP round: 140mm at 1000 yards

Sure its velocity might not be same as Panther...but fire an APHE which were issued to 1944 tankers, it has no trouble penetrating a Tiger tank at 1,000 meters.

[Tank-Ace]

Those numbers seem a bit high for 1000m.

I've never seen any source put the 122mm at up over 192mm of penetration at 100m range. Highest I've seen for the BS-3 100mm was actually 204mm at 100m.

Maybe double check your numbers, but something seems off there.