Spitfire Mk VIII and Mk IX

[Chalenge]

You are ignoring this user.

You dont even play AH.   

[Tank-Ace]

You dont even play AH.   

And? That doesn't mean I can't answer your dumb-azz questions.

[Chalenge]

Obviously a rule #4 violation from someone that only trolls the boards and never plays AH. 

[guncrasher]

And? That doesn't mean I can't answer your dumb-azz questions.

tank-ace the fact that you havent played in a while indicates that you dont know the changes that have taken place lately.  you dont get it just by playing off-line missions.  a lot of the wishes you have posted are really cool if you play off line but in the game with 400 players wanting to kill ya then it's a different game.


semp

[Tank-Ace]

tank-ace the fact that you havent played in a while indicates that you dont know the changes that have taken place lately.  you dont get it just by playing off-line missions.  a lot of the wishes you have posted are really cool if you play off line but in the game with 400 players wanting to kill ya then it's a different game.


semp

Again, not having played online recently doesn't prevent me from intelligently answering stupid questions.

"Why do we not have X for plane Y?!?!?"

We're also missing A for plane B, and C for plane D. Y isn't being singled out, they just didn't get around to adding X yet.

[icepac]

Again, not having played online recently doesn't prevent me from intelegently answering stupid questions.

You need to know how to spell "intelligently" in order to use it unless your primary language is something other than english.

[Tank-Ace]

No, I need to stop expecting perfect results from the galaxy S3's smaller screen and imperfect touch screen.

[Karnak]

There are also some balance issues to consider.  Spitfires, La-7s, Yaks and Bf109s, to be perfectly honest, are superior dogfighters because as interceptors they sacrifice endurance (range, ammo) for performance, mostly climb/acceleration.  This makes them superior at air-to-air combat.  If you give any of them large drop tanks they suddenly gain the advantage of endurance as well and that can make them overly effective in game terms.

[Chalenge]

There are also some balance issues to consider.  Spitfires, La-7s, Yaks and Bf109s, to be perfectly honest, are superior dogfighters because as interceptors they sacrifice endurance (range, ammo) for performance, mostly climb/acceleration.  This makes them superior at air-to-air combat.  If you give any of them large drop tanks they suddenly gain the advantage of endurance as well and that can make them overly effective in game terms.

Absolute rubbish! There is no such thing as a double-superior fighter in Aces High and that would be the only 'overly effective' change that should be avoided. The only thing drop tanks changes is range and range alone can only change where on the map combat takes place in comparison to where takeoff took place. The overall effectiveness of Spitfires in AH would remain unchanged.

"Fear me. I have fuel." Give me a break! 

[Karnak]

Absolute rubbish! There is no such thing as a double-superior fighter in Aces High and that would be the only 'overly effective' change that should be avoided. The only thing drop tanks changes is range and range alone can only change where on the map combat takes place in comparison to where takeoff took place. The overall effectiveness of Spitfires in AH would remain unchanged.

"Fear me. I have fuel." Give me a break! 

Regardless of whether you agree or not, it is clear, based on the fuel consumption multiplier, that HTC wanted a distinction between the short ranged interceptors and the long ranged fighters.  A Spitfire or Bf109 can easily participate in an attack against a neighboring field and be able to return.  With drop tanks and fuel management they can even go to a base behind enemy lines and return, but that is pretty much it if they want to be able to return.  Long range fighters like the Ki-84, P-51, Mosquito and Ta152 can escort or range far into enemy territory and still be able to return home.

It is not that there is a double-superior fighter so much as fighters that are better suited to certain tasks.  If you are scrambling to defend against an incoming raid, which of the following fighters are the best choices, Bf109G-14, Bf110G-2, Mosquito Mk VI, P-47D-40, P-51B and Spitfire Mk VIII?  While you could use any of them, the superior climb/acceleration of the Bf109G-14 and Spitfire Mk VIII are going to give you a better chance of success in that circumstance.

[guncrasher]

Again, not having played online recently doesn't prevent me from intelligently answering stupid questions.

"Why do we not have X for plane Y?!?!?"

We're also missing A for plane B, and C for plane D. Y isn't being singled out, they just didn't get around to adding X yet.

see that's the thing, we you say "we" are missing x or y plane.  you arent missing x or y plane.  you are missing all of them.


semp

[Guppy35]

No I dont believe they were ferry tanks. I have them listed as slipper tanks. The VIII was used as an export fighter by countries like Australia that then used them over great expanses of water.

The 170 gallon tank was specifically a ferry tank and was only really used to test some runs from England direct to Malta.  No guns, additional oil.  Not a combat load.

The 30 gallon slipper was standard on the Griffon birds starting with the XII.   The XII also carried a 50 gallon torpedo shaped tank and at the very end of it's career carried a 90 gallon tank when escorting RAF bombers in daylight in August 45.  The 45 gallon slipper can be seen on Spit XVI photos on the continent. 

I seem to recall the discussion happening when the Spits were going to be introduced and the consensus was the 30 gallon tank was the one they carried the majority of the time and made the most sense for MA use.  Obviously the decision isn't mind to make, but adding the 45 and 90 seems like overkill just to add loiter time.

[Chalenge]

Ah the usual noise!

The modifier will affect bigger tanks the same way it has the smaller ones. If every aircraft had the tanks they actually flew with then it would not make the huge difference you fear so much.

[Guppy35]

Ah the usual noise!

The modifier will affect bigger tanks the same way it has the smaller ones. If every aircraft had the tanks they actually flew with then it would not make the huge difference you fear so much.

Just passing on the last discussion.  If that's the usual noise so be it.  The decision isn't in my hands.  As for fearing anything in a cartoon flight sim, that's just silly.

Why do you feel the need to have a 170 gallon overload ferry tank for a Spit in AH?

[Karnak]

Ah the usual noise!

The modifier will affect bigger tanks the same way it has the smaller ones. If every aircraft had the tanks they actually flew with then it would not make the huge difference you fear so much.

Not true.  Give the Spitfire the larger tanks and it can now escort bombers reasonably well.  Give the P-51D its larger tanks and nobody will use them because nobody does six hour fighter sorties in AH.  The larger tanks only help if the useful range is actually extended.