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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2012, 11:56:26 AM »
Interesting questions to the last 2 posters, and I knew these questions would come up. Zach and Cody did know some of the people at the party, but they were not actually at the party, but you also can't expect good things to happen with a group of people anywhere at 4:30 in the morning. When they showed up the shooter and his friend thought they were the group of kids wanting to fight and ran up on them until they realized they were the wrong people. About that same time, the group of people wanting to fight did show up and Solomon pulled the gun immediately. (keep in mind, Zach had been at Wal-Mart for 2 minutes) Whenever Solomon pulled the gun, some guy in the opposite group saw the gun, got a crow bar/bat/some kind of blunt object, and hit Solomon and he started shooting and for whatever reason or another, he shot Zach first.

I would not have any problem saying "My idiot friend Zach got hammered, started a fight, and got shot" if that was the case just because it would have legitimately been his fault.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2012, 12:28:23 PM »
I think your two friends learned a very valuable lesson.  Do not go to Walmart at 4:30am to watch a fight.


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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2012, 12:46:59 PM »
Interesting questions to the last 2 posters, and I knew these questions would come up. Zach and Cody did know some of the people at the party, but they were not actually at the party, but you also can't expect good things to happen with a group of people anywhere at 4:30 in the morning. When they showed up the shooter and his friend thought they were the group of kids wanting to fight and ran up on them until they realized they were the wrong people. About that same time, the group of people wanting to fight did show up and Solomon pulled the gun immediately. (keep in mind, Zach had been at Wal-Mart for 2 minutes) Whenever Solomon pulled the gun, some guy in the opposite group saw the gun, got a crow bar/bat/some kind of blunt object, and hit Solomon and he started shooting and for whatever reason or another, he shot Zach first.

I would not have any problem saying "My idiot friend Zach got hammered, started a fight, and got shot" if that was the case just because it would have legitimately been his fault.

Please do not get me wrong.  I wasn't trying to insinuate that your friends were involved in the fight directly, in any way.  I just found it highly coincidental that your friends were an example of "wrong place, wrong time" and that they may be feeding you mostly truth, with a side of smoke up your arse.  :)

All said and done, it sounds stupid to me.  You are correct about nothing good coming of a drunken argument  at 0430.

Even more curious is why the WalMart?  Looking at a local map (assuming the party was in Leander as most of the news seems to think), it seems that somewhere at Lake Travis may have been about the same distance, but would have offered a less conspicuous as a venue for a fight.  I am not a local, so I would not be familiar as to how populated or not the Lake Travis area is or isn't, but WalMart does not even make it to my top one-hundred list of low-profile places to arrange a fight  :headscratch:

Regarding the "guy with the blunt object"  his courage most certainly outweighs his aim or ability to whack someone if the guy was still able to shoot afterwards and wasn't unconscious.  In fact, this is the most likely reason for an aggravated assault charge as opposed to attempted murder.  There aren't too many conscious decisions to be made when someone has knocked you over the head.

I think your two friends learned a very valuable lesson.  Do not go to Walmart at 4:30am to watch a fight.


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I am still leaning towards this being the real story. I'm not saying that you are a liar, but that your friends probably are.  They are probably feeding the same story to the authorities.  Not admitting to tagging-along as a spectator gives a degree of plausible deniability and trims down the list of questions from the cops, parents, etc and also relieves one of the burden of ratting-out a friends drinking party in one, fell swoop.  Admitting to attendance at the party opens a whole other exhaustive line of questions.  As with an actor learning his lines, repetition makes the story perfect, and you are probably being used as a practice audience.  If you can fool your closest friends, then the police should be cake.
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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 02:21:37 PM »
Please do not get me wrong.  I wasn't trying to insinuate that your friends were involved in the fight directly, in any way.  I just found it highly coincidental that your friends were an example of "wrong place, wrong time" and that they may be feeding you mostly truth, with a side of smoke up your arse.  :)

All said and done, it sounds stupid to me.  You are correct about nothing good coming of a drunken argument  at 0430.

Even more curious is why the WalMart?  Looking at a local map (assuming the party was in Leander as most of the news seems to think), it seems that somewhere at Lake Travis may have been about the same distance, but would have offered a less conspicuous as a venue for a fight.  I am not a local, so I would not be familiar as to how populated or not the Lake Travis area is or isn't, but WalMart does not even make it to my top one-hundred list of low-profile places to arrange a fight  :headscratch:

Regarding the "guy with the blunt object"  his courage most certainly outweighs his aim or ability to whack someone if the guy was still able to shoot afterwards and wasn't unconscious.  In fact, this is the most likely reason for an aggravated assault charge as opposed to attempted murder.  There aren't too many conscious decisions to be made when someone has knocked you over the head.

I am still leaning towards this being the real story. I'm not saying that you are a liar, but that your friends probably are.  They are probably feeding the same story to the authorities.  Not admitting to tagging-along as a spectator gives a degree of plausible deniability and trims down the list of questions from the cops, parents, etc and also relieves one of the burden of ratting-out a friends drinking party in one, fell swoop.  Admitting to attendance at the party opens a whole other exhaustive line of questions.  As with an actor learning his lines, repetition makes the story perfect, and you are probably being used as a practice audience.  If you can fool your closest friends, then the police should be cake.

The guy with the blunt object didn't even get shot AFAIK. But regardless about Zach on whether or not he is lying, the Wal-Mart Security cameras will have no trouble confirming or denying this statement. We did go back to the Walmart yesterday where it happened and he showed me where he was parked and how everything happened which gives me some ground to him not completely lying. ( I do have a pic of where the other people did get shot, I don't know if I should put it up here because there is a LOT of blood all over the ground)
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2012, 02:43:53 PM »
For his sake, if he gave a sworn statement to the police, I hope that the security camera does not disprove him.  Falsifying sworn statements is a big deal.

Walking you through the scenario is also good practice for the big show.

I know that if I was trying to make-believe that I was not at a party to avoid questions from parents, chance of an underage drinking citation, implication the party host, I would make damn-sure that I had one and only one story which would NOT involve my presence at said party.

It would be well-rehearsed, too.  Never underestimate the motives of someone trying to cover one's arse.

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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2012, 03:37:07 PM »
For his sake, if he gave a sworn statement to the police, I hope that the security camera does not disprove him.  Falsifying sworn statements is a big deal.

Walking you through the scenario is also good practice for the big show.

I know that if I was trying to make-believe that I was not at a party to avoid questions from parents, chance of an underage drinking citation, implication the party host, I would make damn-sure that I had one and only one story which would NOT involve my presence at said party.

It would be well-rehearsed, too.  Never underestimate the motives of someone trying to cover one's arse.

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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 09:33:53 AM »
Seems the news outlets are saying that no walmart customers or employees were harmed. Only folks involved were in the group that showed up. They say 3 taken to hospitals in critical condition and one taken was treated and released.

It'll be awhile before it gets figured out in the media.
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Re: Need Prayers
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 09:39:28 AM »
Seems the news outlets are saying that no walmart customers or employees were harmed. Only folks involved were in the group that showed up. They say 3 taken to hospitals in critical condition and one taken was treated and released.

It'll be awhile before it gets figured out in the media.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 09:41:34 AM »
The Media is almost always wrong

Give me  one example of media being wrong.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 09:44:40 AM »
Give me  one example of media being wrong.

I came so close to pissing my pants from laughter that I was actually starting to wonder if I had a spare set of boxers in the Jeep.

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2012, 09:48:04 AM »
I came so close to pissing my pants from laughter that I was actually starting to wonder if I had a spare set of boxers in the Jeep.

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2012, 09:49:51 AM »
 :devil Just wanted some examples wonder if Nancy Grace ever applogised to those Duke Lacrosse players.
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2012, 09:53:39 AM »
The Media is almost always wrong  at first
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2012, 09:56:07 AM »
ok i fixed it

Nobody said you were wrong the first time, fix it again!
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2012, 09:58:19 AM »
Nobody said you were wrong the first time, fix it again!
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