109 vs Spitfire

[Lusche]

Honestly im still waiting for those who used to say that spits are inferior to the 109   

In some spects they are. It has a reason I fly the K4 and not the Spit 16, and it's not because I want to have a bigger challenge...
(And I don't care for that alleged 'stigma' either)

[Karnak]

I took a Spit VIII up last night, my preferred Spitfire.  The thing that is annoying is how slow it is.  Everything just walked away from me.  Ended up chasing an F4U which headed for his local Wirbelwind battery, took an oil hit and bought it while trying to land at a friendly GV base.  I think I got credit for the F4U due to damage done, but honestly, I didn't kill him, just removed his right side wonder flap.

Speed has become such a dominate factor in the game it is painful to use anything slower than 350, or better yet, 360 on the deck.

[Debrody]

Haha tell me about it, my plane cant go faster than 336 on the deck   

[Ardy123]

Haha tell me about it, my plane cant go faster than 336 on the deck   

debrody doesn't fly 109s either... he too only flys spits....

[SPKmes]

I don't have much experience in it but I find the 109F to be very competent against the 5 and 9 spit ... I personally find it can hang better and longer and can float and recover at stall well.... I enjoy the spit 5...think it is a fun plane which I used to use as a capped field fighter or if there were too many zero's about but I now take the 109 up in the capped field situation .... only real weakness compared to the spit for me is the fire power....

[Debrody]

Exactly, Tongs, the Franz can keep up with the Spit8 and 9 in the scissoring dogfights, handles more steady in the post-stall moves and isnt slower at low-medium altitudes. Basically, when i could force the opponent to scissor, i had chance even against the better pilots too, but when i had to let them use the raw turn rate, i was dead in a short time.
In the other hand, it was different against the spit5. There was a guy in the Few who flew nothing but Spit5s (sorry i cant remember to his name) and we often ran into each other. Some excellent fights happened but he almost always won. True, i have no patience to energy-fight and use Franz's advantages.

What do you, Sirs, think about the Spit16 vs 109F? Seriously, where are you, Bruv? Im curious   

[Widewing]

Honestly im still waiting for those who used to say that spits are inferior to the 109   

When I fly the 109F, I specifically do so to hunt down Spitfires... Especially trash talking spit drivers...

[Ardy123]

When I fly the 109F, I specifically do so to hunt down Spitfires... Especially trash talking spit drivers...

I don't always fly a 109 but when I do I fly the 109F.


sorry I had to do it... it was too tempting...

[Babalonian]

I don't always fly a 109 but when I do I fly the 109F.


sorry I had to do it... it was too tempting...

The F does give many spit drivers who can't do more than basic ACM fits.


In other news, how long has the SpitV in the MAs had this awesome black skin?  Even I think it's actually a good looking spit. 

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The F does give many spit drivers who can't do more than basic ACM fits.


In other news, how long has the SpitV in the MAs had this awesome black skin?  Even I think it's actually a good looking spit. 

 

just discovered that myself a few days ago...awesome looking bird

although I think it is blue, just so dark it looks Black....ether way it is by far the coolest lookin spit

[LCADolby]

Honestly im still waiting for those who used to say that spits are inferior to the 109   

Spits are inferior, the Emil and Freidrich kick their butts 

[Raphael]

 

[danny76]

If you are asking which plane is sexier, the Me's win in all match-ups.

That is all.

Sexier????

Spitfire is the sexiest aircraft ever built, the definitive example of form and function, like a Ducati 916

or an Aston Martin Vanquish

 

[Debrody]

Spitfire is the sexiest aircraft ever built...

Fight!! 
Aircrafts cars and bikes arent sexy. Girls are.   

[bozon]

I took a Spit VIII up last night, my preferred Spitfire.  The thing that is annoying is how slow it is.  Everything just walked away from me. 
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Speed has become such a dominate factor in the game it is painful to use anything slower than 350, or better yet, 360 on the deck.

I fought a SpitVIII in a P47M that I took out to see what it can do. I was able to handle the spit in a knife fight using the array of jug tricks, but every time I got the advantage, the spit would just nose up and disappear into the great blue yonder. I exaggerate of course, but its climb advantage is so large that it could easily out spiral me upwards. The Spit driver was much better at this than in a close quarters fight.

Against planes like the P47, that barely break 3000 fpm in a WEP climb the Spit VIII/XVI will quickly get the E advantage - no matter how much I drain his E, no matter if it throttles back to stay with me, all it needed to do is open up and soar at ~1500 fpm more than my best climb rate. If I am out of WEP, the climb advantage becomes ludicrous. On top, the spit climbs at low speeds which means it can do a very tight climbing spiral and/or climb at a steeper angle than most planes, including the 109s.

Speed was always a factor. The problem is that as AH advanced in versions, more and more common rides reach the 350~ish deck speed. Namely the Spit16 and F4U's. Therefore, it order to be faster than the typical planes you will have around you, the bar has been raised. I was very excited when I returned to AH to try the updated Mossie with its 353 mph (WEP) deck speed. In practice, I feel slower than ever. Without the 5 minutes WEP (MIL power) the new MossieVI does only 313 mph  - yes, slower than Spit8 on MIL, and have a speed curve almost identical to the N1K...

<side track warning>
If someone can explain the remarkable 40 mph difference in deck speed between WEP and MIL for the MossieVI I would be glad to hear it. I mean, did it use WEP or an afterburner? the 353 is correct for the Merlin25, +18 boost, no flame dumper, ejectors MosquitoVI. Not sure that the 313 for MIL power is too.