Ceasefires

[CAP1]

There actually is no such rule in FSO but in the past there was an understanding that it could be mutually agreed to by both CiCs. After reviewing the circumstances of frame 3 last week its been determined that there is little use to the practice and so it is no longer an option available to the CiCs. The Setup CM may end the event early only if all players are towered out. Otherwise the event will time out to T+120 min and the logs will close.

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[Zoney]

  to others that are tired of this hypocrisy.

I  you back sir.

[Devil 505]

Oh and you released the bombers to do so? Were you in a bomber or were you surrounded by your large formation of friendly fighters chasing down stragglers as usual?

My squad were in Ki-61s and was CiC for that frame. We encouraged the bombers to make a second run. Very few squads who are assigned bombers make a second attempt at hitting targets after their first run, even if there is time to do so. When we are assigned buffs, we always plan a second run attempt if time allows. In this particular case, our defensive fighters did a marvelous job killing the enemy bombers and escorts, we determined that their best chance for more action was to escort our buffs on a second run. These secondary missions can be the difference between victory and defeat of the frame, but more so it provides all pilots the opportunity to enjoy the full 120 minutes of the frame.

You seem to take a lot of pride in finding ac late in the frame and ganging them.

In frame 3 of this past FSO, 2 of the remaining 4 axis pilots were myself and Sukov(KoolAid). Were were still looking for a fights after T+60, and likely would have been ganged based on the numbers. I can guarantee, that any KN member would have went looking for a fight under these circumstances. I was separated from Sukov by over a sector when I found a pair of low P-38s (who as it turns out had just vulched some axis pilots at a nearby base) Rather than wait for Sukov, I elected to engage the 38s. As you already know, the ceasefire was called during this fight, and I was shot down after the fact.

Does that really sound hypocritical to you?



Edited for spelling.

[perdue3]

If I find RTB Allies late in the frame and gang them it is because my squad has performed better than the lesser-piloted squad I find, correct? And yes, I do take pride in finding guys late  in the frame. It is not easy to do. Ask any of my squaddies I am sure they will tell you that I shine when cons are reported or even if they are not reported and I go out looking for them. I usually sniff them out and hit them where it hurts.

You dont like it? Sorry bro cant help it. Fly Axis or under my squad name and you will freaking love it. Personally, I do not see where the hypocrisy is. If you'd like to explain it please do so.

Maybe the hypocrisy is in the fact that I hate being ganged in MA but end up outnumbering enemies late in FSO frames. I will NEVER feel bad for outnumbering a squad late in an FSO frame and I can guarantee I will NEVER show any mercy in an event.

[surfinn]

I have a lot of work to do over the next few days to a weak Perd due to a approaching storm, so I don't have the time to go in to the logs and pull out the times that I need to to show the proof of my next statement but rest assured I will as soon as I can. Or anyone who is interested is free to do so for themselves.

Over several FSOs I checked the logs, remembering your complaints and the changes the staff made on your behalf, ranging from this last change that apparently changed the "rules" of the FSO, to the CICs layout of the game when you were unhappy you had to fire rockets from your 110s before your guns, to the there were to many F4us for my KIs to handle.  Before every single one of these post you were shot down. Id be willing to bet that's nothing new.

I'm seriously not trying to start a war with KN but I'm sick of it. Each and everyone of you is better than that.
But hey what do I Know I'm just one of the "Allied punks"

[perdue3]

The F4U Ki-61 thing was in the plans to change very frame anyway so I am not held accountable.

[kilo2]

I have a lot of work to do over the next few days to a weak Perd due to a approaching storm, so I don't have the time to go in to the logs and pull out the times that I need to to show the proof of my next statement but rest assured I will as soon as I can. Or anyone who is interested is free to do so for themselves.

Over several FSOs I checked the logs, remembering your complaints and the changes the staff made on your behalf, ranging from this last change that apparently changed the "rules" of the FSO, to the CICs layout of the game when you were unhappy you had to fire rockets from your 110s before your guns, to the there were to many F4us for my KIs to handle.  Before every single one of these post you were shot down. Id be willing to bet that's nothing new.

I'm seriously not trying to start a war with KN but I'm sick of it. Each and everyone of you is better than that.
But hey what do I Know I'm just one of the "Allied punks"

Well obviously we are just angry we got shot down. You have it all figured out. Nice job Sherlock.


Like I have stated before if we see something we view as wrong we bring it up. Of course they don't have to change anything.

[Devil 505]

The 110 rocket issue was brought up by us before the CiCs were even picked. Nevermind after we were assigned them for frame 1 or still managing 8 kills dispite a FUBAR approach angle to the bombers.

[CAP1]

There actually is no such rule in FSO but in the past there was an understanding that it could be mutually agreed to by both CiCs. After reviewing the circumstances of frame 3 last week its been determined that there is little use to the practice and so it is no longer an option available to the CiCs. The Setup CM may end the event early only if all players are towered out. Otherwise the event will time out to T+120 min and the logs will close.

I have a lot of work to do over the next few days to a weak Perd due to a approaching storm, so I don't have the time to go in to the logs and pull out the times that I need to to show the proof of my next statement but rest assured I will as soon as I can. Or anyone who is interested is free to do so for themselves.

Over several FSOs I checked the logs, remembering your complaints and the changes the staff made on your behalf, ranging from this last change that apparently changed the "rules" of the FSO, to the CICs layout of the game when you were unhappy you had to fire rockets from your 110s before your guns, to the there were to many F4us for my KIs to handle.  Before every single one of these post you were shot down. Id be willing to bet that's nothing new.

I'm seriously not trying to start a war with KN but I'm sick of it. Each and everyone of you is better than that.
But hey what do I Know I'm just one of the "Allied punks"

[surfinn]

Kilo and devil Perd is a CO I'm sure he can defend him self. My statement stands look it up. Oh and I'm not the only "allied punk" that's aware of this.

[kilo2]

Kilo and devil Perd is a CO I'm sure he can defend him self. My statement stands look it up. Oh and I'm not the only "allied punk" that's aware of this.

I am the XO. Your statement can stand all it wants there is no truth to it.

[surfinn]

We reviewed it and the consenus was its more grief than its worth. Its hardly a cornerstone of play in FSO. When is the last time you had a great memory of fun in FSO because of a ceasefire? its an administrative function and nothing more and I personally won't miss it.

Capt1 there are two statements In this post sir that contradicted each other. One says THERE WAS NO RULE. While post number 6 says it was to much "grief" to uphold.
I only saw one side give "grief" over this rule sir. So again my statement stands.  How can you miss something that never existed??  No sir! a complaint actually changed a existing rule which the above statement would indicate or a new rule was made as a result of said complaint.

[Devil 505]

Capt1 there are two statements In this post sir that contradicted each other. One says THERE WAS NO RULE. While post number 6 says it was to much "grief" to uphold.
I only saw one side give "grief" over this rule sir. So again my statement stands.  How can you miss something that never existed??  No sir! a complaint actually changed a existing rule which the above statement would indicate or a new rule was made as a result of said complaint.

Hmm... Attacking the CM now. I'm sure that will help you win the argument.

[Krusty]

Attacking the CM now.

He's done no such thing.

[ImADot]

There is no rule regarding a cease fire. If you doubt that, go to the AHEvents.org site and look for yourself. It has always been an option to the side CiC's to ask one another to cease fire, although it has seldom been invoked.

The decision has now been made to remove that option; there was no rule in place to update or change. The continued bickering and name-calling, which this thread has become, needs to stop here and now. It is counterproductive and serves no purpose.