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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2012, 07:15:12 PM »
He's done no such thing.
I read his last post as calling Squire a hypocrate and insinuating that he will alter a setup or the rules just because my squad has "grief" with it.
If that's not the case, my mistake.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2012, 07:16:49 PM »
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I stand by everything I've said in this post.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2012, 07:18:06 PM »
I read his last post as calling Squire a hypocrate and insinuating that he will alter a setup or the rules just because my squad has "grief" with it.
If that's not the case, my mistake.

No that was not my intent devil.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2012, 09:20:00 PM »
No that was not my intent devil.
Fair enough.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2012, 10:27:34 PM »
There is no rule regarding a cease fire. If you doubt that, go to the AHEvents.org site and look for yourself. It has always been an option to the side CiC's to ask one another to cease fire, although it has seldom been invoked.

Without getting into the negative side of this thread, I will comment on your post:

I dispute the "seldom used" part. I flew FSOs for a long time with USMC/71 Sqn, and it seemed quite a regular occasion that the end of the frame was called early. It seemed to happen at least once every FSO setup (say, 1 in 3), as one side had only 10 in flight and the other only 15, or one side had 50 left, and the frame was called early. From the opinion of somebody that has been shot down because of an early cessation of hostilities, and somebody that has benefitted from the early ending (saving my an hour of flying around never finding the enemy), I will state it was a good thing. It was for the betterment of the team, and NOT the individual.

My 2 cents is if you want to go free hunting, end the frame early and go to the MA. You really don't want to mix MA mentality with FSO. That's how squads get uninvited to participate in FSO.

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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2012, 03:13:33 AM »
My 2 cents is if you want to go free hunting, end the frame early and go to the MA. You really don't want to mix MA mentality with FSO. That's how squads get uninvited to participate in FSO.

I do not see a problem. I have 2 hrs to kill stuff, I am going to take both hrs to find and kill stuff. Sorry :(
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2012, 08:36:15 AM »
My 2 cents is if you want to go free hunting, end the frame early and go to the MA. You really don't want to mix MA mentality with FSO.

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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2012, 09:04:02 AM »
Even though the decision has already been made, I will offer my opinion.

The CiC's invests more time in preparing for an event more than any single squadron. Regardless of the playablity factor, winning a frame is always in mind. This decision removes the last chance for a CiC to salvage a frame.

I suggest that the CM's either issue the Axis and Allied orders themselves, or stop scoring the frames and make it just another AvA event.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2012, 10:21:18 AM »
Even though the decision has already been made, I will offer my opinion.

The CiC's invests more time in preparing for an event more than any single squadron. Regardless of the playablity factor, winning a frame is always in mind. This decision removes the last chance for a CiC to salvage a frame.

I suggest that the CM's either issue the Axis and Allied orders themselves, or stop scoring the frames and make it just another AvA event.

My puter is really behaving badly. this will be my 3rd attempt to post

I hope this does not happen. Being assigned CiC duty is not only the duty of every squad, but it is also a priveledge. Making up the plan, and trying to coordinate with 1/2 of the people in the event can be very nerve wracking and exciting. Your aim is to obtain your objective, get everyone involved, and not give anything away. Hopefuly everyone gets something out of it.

It was mentioned earlier about following the orders of the CiC. We all know that the CiC has a specific plan in mind and all of that can  :bolt: right into the fan at any time. My beef here is when a sqaud is assigned to escort and then on the way they see some nice juicy bombers coming in. Instead of reporting the location/alt/direction etc, they leave their assignment and go after them, leaving the squad(S) do go in alone or with fewer ecsorts.  That is MA mentality, and not fair to the their charges, or to the people assigned to defend wherever these bombers were going.

My point here is, there may be a time late in the frame where the CiC may think that there is more to gain by bringing you assets back home instead of keeping them up and putting them at risk. (one scenario is you only get x amount of aircraft for the entire set and you want the next CiC to use whatever is left) Everone wants to inflict as much damage as they can, and we all want kills because it looks great in the logs. But if your CiC tells you one thing and you go maverick and do another, what is the point of have having a CiC, and in that case why should anybody listen to you when it's your turn?

If you want to get your 2 hours in, the MA is open and you can get your jollies there.

I'm not trying to be rude or offend anyone here. I have been doing this for about 10 years and I think it is the best part of Aces High. I have fun in the MA, but in here you get to fly with Rooks, and Knights and Bishops in every scenario, and get to know and respect them as people in here. You may even cut them a little slack back in the MA when they start shooting through trees, incurr no damage after hitting them 5 times and they kill you with one shot in your Tigger, and camp your buttox! :ahand

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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2012, 07:21:31 PM »
well put Bannor, appreciated brutha...
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2012, 10:02:27 PM »
Even though the decision has already been made, I will offer my opinion.

The CiC's invests more time in preparing for an event more than any single squadron. Regardless of the playablity factor, winning a frame is always in mind. This decision removes the last chance for a CiC to salvage a frame.

I suggest that the CM's either issue the Axis and Allied orders themselves, or stop scoring the frames and make it just another AvA event.

 I second this mentality. Though its probably not a surprise.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2012, 11:36:16 PM »
i agree with you bannor that squads should stay with their assignment. Both sides have their trouble with squads not being where they should be or passing up bombers or fighters depending on their mission. I've given orders flying past both in my time. all the CiC has to do is call everyone back to base. Has that EVER happened other than time running out? Not ever to my knowledge. CiCs give orders to go somewhere else and find targets. So I don't know where you're getting this maverick squad stuff. In fact most times the squad CO tells the CiC their in xxx sector and if the CiC doesn't want them there he says so. I've heard the CiC move people but never to not engage or go land (except time). This topic is not about pilots being where they're not suppose to be. And it's not 'MA' mentality to seek out and engage the enemy. The squads are doing it WITH direction from their CiC. There is not now nor was there ever any complaint by anyone that the p-38's in question were wrong in engaging the 109s or vice versa. It was the stoppage in the middle of bullets flying. Now if the CiC gives orders that are ignored those squads usually are handled properly by the CMs and CiCs.
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2012, 02:50:07 AM »
I can say with some certainty that many a squad late in the frame has been very freely interpreting orders to stick around and spoil for a fight. I've been on command channel quite often, as I was an alternate flight lead for USMC/71 Sqn and would fill in if CO got disco'd. Most of the times at the end of the frame there are no additional orders, and people just pool around looking for trouble. It's more like organized MA than FSO, if I had to describe it.

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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2012, 03:34:42 PM »
I can say with some certainty that many a squad late in the frame has been very freely interpreting orders to stick around and spoil for a fight. I've been on command channel quite often, as I was an alternate flight lead for USMC/71 Sqn and would fill in if CO got disco'd. Most of the times at the end of the frame there are no additional orders, and people just pool around looking for trouble. It's more like organized MA than FSO, if I had to describe it.

And just what is your idea of what FSO is?

Yes, you're absolutely right, Krusty. You and the Allied CiCs need to get a handle on that and make sure no planes are just 'pooling around looking for trouble'.   
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Re: Ceasefires
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2012, 12:40:50 PM »
not worth replying to. Apparently this is KN's playground, only?