Gun control laws do they work ?

[mtnman]

did it make it worst?

That's the wrong question to ask.

If it didn't improve the situation, it's a pointless piece of law.  It costs money and inconveniences law-abiding citizens, so it dang-well better improve things.

If the law caused no measurable improvement, it's a failure.

[guncrasher]

 "Japan would never invade the United States. We would find a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto

of course the zillions of ocean miles between japan and the usa had nothing to do with it either.  we would have had one hell of a time invading or attacking japan held territory if it wasnt for australia and china and other countries nearby.

Japan never invaded american not because they were afraid of guns, but because it wasnt feasible to sustain a war that far away from supplies.




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[guncrasher]

That's the wrong question to ask.

If it didn't improve the situation, it's a pointless piece of law.  It costs money and inconveniences law-abiding citizens, so it dang-well better improve things.

If the law caused no measurable improvement, it's a failure.

you still didnt answer the question.


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[mtnman]

you still didnt answer the question.


semp

It's not a question that needs an answer.  It's not a question that matters in this discussion any more than what I had for supper.

If the answer is "yes", the law is a failure.

If the answer is "no", the law is a failure.

For the answer to matter, we need to know if the law improved anything, not if it hurt anything.

[MarineUS]

Japan never invaded american not because they were afraid of guns, but because it wasnt feasible to sustain a war that far away from supplies.




semp

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Japan invaded Alaska.




And as far as having the most powerful military in the world: Even the strongest armies have fallen to weaker enemies. Rome, Britain....Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


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EDIT: What's easier to conquer? A country where no one has a firearm or a country where everyone has a gun?

[TonyJoey]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Japan invaded Alaska.




And as far as having the most powerful military in the world: Even the strongest armies have fallen to weaker enemies. Rome, Britain....Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


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EDIT: What's easier to conquer? A country where no one has a firearm or a country where everyone has a gun?

Or a country that has the capability to kill just about everyone on Earth, multiple times over? Give me a break.

[zack1234]

There is a new program starting soon on the history channel about Americans who are preparing for the breakdown of society.

Just because you can have a gun dose not mean your going to be "Minute man"

You own a gun because you can, which is only fair in a Democracy

Gun laws are nonsense its a smoke screen to encourage the gun market, its like people saying God does not exist religious people crave it, Indifferance is their biggest fear.

If there were no gun laws less guns would be sold, people crave what is under threat and cherish it more.

[Ardy123]

That's the wrong question to ask.

If it didn't improve the situation, it's a pointless piece of law.  It costs money and inconveniences law-abiding citizens, so it dang-well better improve things.

If the law caused no measurable improvement, it's a failure.

And there in lies the problem....

One can not have a proper control for validation. Without having two identical cities in two independent universes that have exactly the same people sharing the exact same time, there cannot be a clear concise Yes or No.

Some studies say it did such as the 1991 New England Journal of Medicine studies that claim it caused a 25% reduction, while other studies claim it didn't. How does one know exactly? Overall gun violence has gone down across the nation, but can anyone conclusively say why (with any credible control)?

Another question is are existing guns laws being enforced in the first place?
(one study found that just 120 dealers in 22 states sold nearly 55,000 guns linked to crime over five years)

What we can look at is the source of the guns.... and sadly most gun crime is committed with originally legally purchased weapons....

Did you know that over a third of crime committed with a gun involved guns less than 3 years old?

Did you know that most guns committed in crime have been traced to a handful of states?


At the end, its about what do you believe (based off of your experience, bias, etc...)....

[MarineUS]

Or a country that has the capability to kill just about everyone on Earth, multiple times over? Give me a break.

Rome conquered pretty much all of the known earth at the time and they fell. You are blind to history and therefore; stupid.

Ignorance is the lack of knowing. Stupidity is knowing, yet still believing something else.

Your inability to even believe in the fact that our military could fail....that's what got the Romans. They thought themselves invincible.


I work DAILY with the people you give so much praise to about their inability to be defeated and there's hundreds I've met that I would rather shoot in the face than have them watch my back. The sheer amount of incompetence will drive you ballistic....granted most of them wore grey cammies. *cough*


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The smart@.$.$ reply that is sure to follow this will be more than amusing. Honestly, if there is anyone on this forum I hate because they REFUSE to even ATTEMPT to see something in another light, it's you TJ.

You refuse to even give another idea other than your own a chance. You assume that you are 100% correct which means arguing with you is futile because I could hand you a grenade, tell you it is one and then you'd argue for the Golly-geened sake of arguing until you blew up and sprayed pink mist all over the room.


And with that; TJ will not ever get a reply from me again until that POS can open his mind. I'm not saying agree with everyone, but let some air into your f**king cranium and look at the subject from both sides before become a die hard d!ck rider for a subject.

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[coombz]

Your inability to even believe in the fact that our military could fail....that's what got the Romans. They thought themselves invincible.

I find it very easy to believe given the US military's failure quota over the last 60 odd years

[zack1234]

When have the US military failed?

They have not failed in any objectives since the 1945.

The Soviet Union is past and American Democracy is still functioning.

All military objectives were met.

[danny76]

When have the US military failed?

They have not failed in any objectives since the 1945.

The Soviet Union is past and American Democracy is still functioning.

All military objectives were met.

 :old:This is not a wholly unreasonable point. Also the US armed forces I have spent time with have been splendid fellows indeed.

[VonMessa]

:old:This is not a wholly unreasonable point. Also the US armed forces I have spent time with have been splendid fellows indeed.

I will say, without hesitation, that the British troops I had the pleasure of meeting and working with were great, as well.  I would fight side-by-side with them any day.

 

[Nathan60]

lol, when it comes to safety/crime I think I'm better off here, we don't even lock our doors    let alone need an arsenal of firearms to feel safe

But what if the tricksy hobbitses come out of their holes to steal your precious?

[Shuffler]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Japan invaded Alaska.




And as far as having the most powerful military in the world: Even the strongest armies have fallen to weaker enemies. Rome, Britain....Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


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EDIT: What's easier to conquer? A country where no one has a firearm or a country where everyone has a gun?

I will have to say Alaska and Hawaii were not part of the US back then. They both became states the year I was born.