Gun control laws do they work ?

[LCADolby]

If the Americans were a sensible people they would have risen up and overthrown the Regan government.

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coombz....many things you say are dead on.



 my thoughts are it will not get better, it is only gonna get worse......to think that we can "stop" those in charge is laughable at best, they will call you a terrorist and everyone(well most) will believe them....  

[Ardy123]

Our government drew a line not to be crossed. You can't win wars that way.

Don't forget when MacArthur crossed the 'line' then the Chinese pushed us back quite far...eventually resulting in a stalemate. There was a valid reason why we didn't what to fight them... Thank the Chinese for N. Korea... there could have been one democratic 'Korea'.


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[guncrasher]

they might be important points, but they are just ways to divide people really

nothing ever actually changes

wasn't one of Obama's big things the claim that he was going to get rid of Gitmo? :]  did that ever happen?

these talking points are to get people all riled up and slagging off the other side, not actual questions of policy changes that are likely to happen

it's a smokescreen

suns makes a good point about Wikileaks, you only have to look at the effort they have gone to in order to discredit and silence Assange to realise that the one thing no govt wants is any kind of transparency or real public scrutiny

didnt bush said we ended all major combat operations in Iraq back in 2003?



semp

[sunfan1121]

Annnd we've just gone off into  the deep end.

[DaveJ]

I for one am grateful to the American military for forging the wonderful world we have today where terrorists have killed civilians in the US and the UK in retaliation for America's brilliant foreign policy in the Middle East

Iran will be next as Uncle Sam continues the trend of bending over for Israel  

What a load of absolute nonsense. You do realize that you have precious, young New Zealand soldiers dying in Afghanistan so that you can even spout that gibberish?

[DaveJ]

If the Americans were a sensible people they would have risen up and overthrown the Regan government.

  I'm guessing your ideal government is led by someone like Gordon Brown?

[coombz]

What a load of absolute nonsense. You do realize that you have precious, young New Zealand soldiers dying in Afghanistan so that you can even spout that gibberish?

so are you implying that if there was no war in Afghanistan I wouldn't have free speech on the internet? or what?

try to make some sense please

the fact that soldiers from the UK and NZ are dying for America's pointless and self-defeating war on terror is more reason to be annoyed with those countries foreign policy, not less

[DaveJ]

so are you implying that if there was no war in Afghanistan I wouldn't have free speech on the internet? or what?

try to make some sense please

the fact that soldiers from the UK and NZ are dying for America's pointless and self-defeating war on terror is more reason to be annoyed with those countries foreign policy, not less

I'm sorry, I'd rather not waste my time explaining how wrong you are. It would be like talking to a brick wall. What foreign policy are you suggesting, then? Isolationism?

[DaveJ]

Don't forget when MacArthur crossed the 'line' then the Chinese pushed us back quite far...eventually resulting in a stalemate. There was a valid reason why we didn't what to fight them... Thank the Chinese for N. Korea... there could have been one democratic 'Korea'.


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The Chinese would have been blown to all hell after we (America) recovered from their initial attack, if it wasn't for the government's rejection of MacArthur's total war strategy against them, as well as peace negotiations that severely hampered our willingness to go on the offensive for fear of "pissing off" the Chinese.

[coombz]

I'm sorry, I'd rather not waste my time explaining how wrong you are. It would be like talking to a brick wall. What foreign policy are you suggesting, then? Isolationism?

I wasn't suggesting any foreign policy, i was asking you to explain your nonsensical post

I guess that isn't forthcoming though eh?

[DaveJ]

I wasn't suggesting any foreign policy, i was asking you to explain your nonsensical post

I guess that isn't forthcoming though eh?

How is my post nonsensical? I am suggesting that terrorists would be striking at countries like NZ, UK, and America with greater occurrence if it wasn't for the troops that go/went into Afghanistan and disrupt Al-Qaida's safe haven and base of operation.

From your posts, I can tell your foreign policy would be appeasement, isolationism, and trying to get along with even the most ruthless regimes on the planet for fear of potentially making them mad and creating terrorists.

[coombz]

Nice strawman you've created there

Those pesky terrorists would attack us no matter what, they are just so jealous of our freedom

[DaveJ]

Nice strawman you've created there

Those pesky terrorists would attack us no matter what, they are just so jealous of our freedom

Coombzy, radical Islam preaches the destruction of Western society. We can debate US involvement in the Middle East till we're blue in the face, but the fact remains that even if we pulled all of our troops out of there, they would still be trying to kill as many innocent civilians as possible.

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someone watches the "news" a bit to much