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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #525 on: August 31, 2012, 12:04:39 AM »
someone watches the "news" a bit to much  :rofl :rofl :rofl

lol yeah i wish i hadn't edited my post now

I had already anticipated and mocked the predictable 'their religion says to kill all non-believers!' response, to go alongside the 'they hate us for our freedoms' bit, but then I took it out to try and be less antagonistic :)
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #526 on: August 31, 2012, 12:29:37 AM »
lol yeah i wish i hadn't edited my post now

I had already anticipated and mocked the predictable 'their religion says to kill all non-believers!' response, to go alongside the 'they hate us for our freedoms' bit, but then I took it out to try and be less antagonistic :)

 :lol

not everyone in America is so........ahhhh.........."gullible" ya thats the word........:D


I tattooed a vet who was one of the very first Americans over there, can you guess where he went?
to the oil fields......yup we are definitely fighting "terrorism"  :rofl :rofl

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #527 on: August 31, 2012, 12:52:27 AM »
fighting to change brutal and ruthless regimes DaveJ says...(oh and don't forget finding those WMDs threatening all of the free world  :) ) not fighting to control the part of the world that produces most of the oil ;]

if it's about stopping horrible dictators and downtrodden people then why don't we ever hear anything on the news about the US getting involved in the nasty little wars in Africa? is it because Africa is poor as f**k?

i guess it just might be
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #528 on: August 31, 2012, 12:56:14 AM »
fighting to change brutal and ruthless regimes DaveJ says...(oh and don't forget finding those WMDs threatening all of the free world  :) ) not fighting to control the part of the world that produces most of the oil ;]

if it's about stopping horrible dictators and downtrodden people then why don't we ever hear anything on the news about the US getting involved in the nasty little wars in Africa? is it because Africa is poor as f**k?

i guess it just might be

if you haven't seen it yet, watch the Movie called "Machine gun preacher"......true story, the guy is still there to this day.

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #529 on: August 31, 2012, 01:26:50 AM »
:lol I'm guessing your ideal government is led by someone like Gordon Brown?
I'd prefer one led by Charlie Brown. :)
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #530 on: August 31, 2012, 03:12:21 AM »
Every war that has been fought is based on access to economic resources, wars do not occur for any other reason.

Economics is the basis of our  Democratic society.

Oil is essential to maintain our way if life.

America has followed foreign policy to sustain its way of life and its democratic ideas.

Africa as a continent is essential for its natural resourses which are vast, its people are poor because the Industrial nations require it so to exploit it.

The UK would be a third world country if US economic policy dictated, we exploit the economic system the US maintain.

The Americans maintain the society we live in.

Gun laws are nonsense, the Americans have guns because they can, it has nothing to do with defending freedom, they have guns because its cultural :old:

This thread highlights why some people drive a car and some have it driven for them :old:
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #531 on: August 31, 2012, 05:12:03 AM »
Wow, Zack1234 by Domestos, kills all known bullcrap, dead.

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« Reply #532 on: August 31, 2012, 05:24:15 AM »
I know  :ROFL

I think should consult the Clangers about said gibberish :old:

shameful really British people who bite the hand that feeds it. :old:

I am not rich enough and privilege enough to get angry. :old:

Coombzy is angry and ran off the New Zealand, I wish I could run away :old:

New Zealand was stolen of the indigenous people by the British. (Coombzy?)
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #533 on: August 31, 2012, 06:49:30 AM »
you can run away too zack, I will share my sheep with you  :old:

it is supposedly winter here but mostly it is very warm and the sun shines and I go to the beach  :cheers:

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #534 on: August 31, 2012, 07:18:45 AM »
I can't make any decisions anymore :old:

Can you own a gun in New Zealand?

And do they have McDonalds?
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #535 on: August 31, 2012, 07:38:15 AM »
I can't make any decisions anymore :old:

Can you own a gun in New Zealand?

And do they have McDonalds?

Too bad.  I wanted you to leave your pies to me in your will.

Yes

Of course.

When do you leave?
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #536 on: August 31, 2012, 08:49:43 AM »
disgruntled worker just executed 2 in NJ supermarket.

retard soldier executes 6 people at their place of worship a week or 2 back.


just what the founding fathers had in mind :aok
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« Reply #537 on: August 31, 2012, 09:14:46 AM »
Meanwhile, clubs and knives are still one step above stone hand-axes...

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #538 on: August 31, 2012, 09:16:52 AM »

England vs USA
Gun control myths
Thomas Sowell
November 26, 2002

Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of Bentley College deserves some sort of special prize for taking on the thankless task of talking sense on a subject where nonsense is deeply entrenched and fiercely dogmatic. In her recently published book, "Guns and Violence," Professor Malcolm examines the history of firearms, gun control laws and violent crime in England. What makes this more than an exercise in history is its relevance to current controversies over gun control in America.

Gun control zealots love to make highly selective international comparisons of gun ownership and murder rates. But Joyce Lee Malcolm points out some of the pitfalls in that approach. For example, the murder rate in New York City has been more than five times that of London for two centuries -- and during most of that time neither city had any gun control laws.

In 1911, New York state instituted one of the most severe gun control laws in the United States, while serious gun control laws did not begin in England until nearly a decade later. But New York City still continued to have far higher murder rates than London.

If we are serious about the role of guns and gun control as factors in differing rates of violence between countries, then we need to do what history professor Joyce Lee Malcolm does -- examine the history of guns and violence. In England, as she points out, over the centuries "violent crime continued to decline markedly at the very time that guns were becoming increasingly available."

England's Bill of Rights in 1688 was quite unambiguous that the right of a private individual to be armed was an individual right, independently of any collective right of militias. Guns were as freely available to Englishmen as to Americans, on into the early 20th century.

Nor was gun control in England a response to any firearms murder crisis. Over a period of three years near the end of the 19th century, "there were only 59 fatalities from handguns in a population of nearly 30 million people," according to Professor Malcolm. "Of these, 19 were accidents, 35 were suicides and only three were homicides -- an average of one a year."

The rise of the interventionist state in early 20th century England included efforts to restrict ownership of guns. After the First World War, gun control laws began restricting the possession of firearms. Then, after the Second World War, these restrictions grew more severe, eventually disarming the civilian population of England -- or at least the law-abiding part of it.

It was during this period of severe restrictions on owning firearms that crime rates in general, and the murder rate in particular, began to rise in England. "As the number of legal firearms have dwindled, the numbers of armed crimes have risen," Professor Malcolm points out.

In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s, there were more than a hundred times as many. In England, as in the United States, drastic crackdowns on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens were accompanied by ever greater leniency to criminals. In both countries, this turned out to be a formula for disaster.

While England has not yet reached the American level of murders, it has already surpassed the United States in rates of robbery and burglary. Moreover, in recent years the murder rate in England has been going up under still more severe gun control laws, while the murder rate in the United States has been going down as more and more states have allowed private citizens to carry concealed weapons -- and have begun locking up more criminals.

In both countries, facts have no effect whatever on the dogmas of gun control zealots. The fact that most guns used to murder people in England were not legally purchased has no effect on their faith in gun control laws there, any more than faith in such laws here is affected by the fact that the gun used by the recent Beltway snipers was not purchased legally either.

In England as in America, sensational gun crimes have been seized upon and used politically to promote crackdowns on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens, while doing nothing about criminals. American zealots for the Brady bill say nothing about the fact that the man who shot James Brady and tried to assassinate President Reagan has been out walking the streets on furlough.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #539 on: August 31, 2012, 09:20:51 AM »
edit: scratch that, like I said earlier its hard to compare, and not very helpful.

I only mentioned those 2 incidents because ... no one else has.
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