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Offline zack1234

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #615 on: September 02, 2012, 06:34:10 AM »
Someone in this thread stated that Japan did not attack the US mainland because people had personal firearms :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Owing a gun is not going to stop your government screwing you over, it been screwing you over for the past forty years by putting the working classes out of work while investing in overseas economies.

IE Russia,China,India,Japan etc have all gained by US government policy at the expense of its own people.

You owning a gun has not stopped your Coal mine's, Steel works and "YOUR" people being screwed over by successive governments.

"Conspiracy theories" - "The Government is out to gets us" or "UFOs" take your pick. (Its a smoke screen to hide you from the truth, which is ....... your not that important in the scheme of things)


You will be saying that the Amercan civil war was fought to free the slaves next and nothing to do with the emergence of "Wage Labour in the North states" (they paid people to work instead of owning them).

"get my gun boy!"  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

The fact that the police are ineffective at dealing with crime is Government policy it keeps your mind of what is really happening. :old: (you can put a man on the moon but can't deal with a crimminal) :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #616 on: September 02, 2012, 06:35:16 AM »
there ya go: rights are demonstrably not absolute, universal and inviolable. they change depending on what a particular society at a particular time has decided they should be. there is nothing natural about them, they are artificial and created by man, not handed to us prepackaged by nature/god/reality/whatever.
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« Reply #617 on: September 02, 2012, 06:41:41 AM »
Don't listen to RT he is talking gibberish, its a technique used by the middleclasses to appear to be supierior to the working classes - the term is called  "Elaborated Speech"

The lower orders use "Restricted speech"

Everyone in 1920's Germany was armed :old:
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #618 on: September 02, 2012, 06:47:27 AM »
I use both - right tool for the right job eh? ;)
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« Reply #619 on: September 02, 2012, 10:20:38 AM »
Are stupid people equal?



It says created equal.... what you choose to do with it from there is your business.
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« Reply #620 on: September 02, 2012, 10:28:51 AM »
well see the way i see it, the typical guy when he's losing an argument will resort to personal insults  :neener:.  so I guess you are really going for the government having another million employees to teach people how to properly shoot.  is that really a good idea?

so please enlighten me on how the government can or should teach people to handle firearms without spending what little money there's left of my social security.  I figure if you gonna insult me at least let me know the details of your idea, who knows maybe one of my dead brain cells can come back to life.  unless of course your idea is too complex for this guy to understand, hey but who knows perhaps I can ask fugitive to draw some cartoons to make it easier on me  :salute.

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Semp, losing an argument with you would be slightly less likely than losing an argument with a tree...

Many states, counties and municipalities already offer a firearms safety course for free. Many offer online courses. Some states require passing an approved safety course to obtain a concealed carry permit. A Federal program could easily utilize the existing resources of the CMP and affiliated clubs. The issue is that there is no training standardization, which usually reduces overall cost. The initial cost and annual cost of such a program would be a minuscule fraction of the money we hand to our trustworthy friends, the Pakistani government.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #621 on: September 02, 2012, 11:32:35 AM »
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this topic beforehand......


"They would be afraid blah blah" - It's got nothing to do with them being afraid. It's got to do with being able to have enough man power and supplies. They had their hands full just |)1[king around in SEA.

Sometimes we believe what gives us comfort & supports our hypothesis regardless of "Facts" supported by others...  :D :old:
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« Reply #622 on: September 02, 2012, 12:22:45 PM »
Sometimes we believe what gives us comfort & supports our hypothesis regardless of "Facts" supported by others...  :D :old:

Wow!

I think you may have just summed up gun control laws as a whole!
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #623 on: September 02, 2012, 12:45:28 PM »
Wow!

I think you may have just summed up gun control laws as a whole!

:)

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #624 on: September 02, 2012, 01:32:33 PM »
Semp, losing an argument with you would be slightly less likely than losing an argument with a tree...

Many states, counties and municipalities already offer a firearms safety course for free. Many offer online courses. Some states require passing an approved safety course to obtain a concealed carry permit. A Federal program could easily utilize the existing resources of the CMP and affiliated clubs. The issue is that there is no training standardization, which usually reduces overall cost. The initial cost and annual cost of such a program would be a minuscule fraction of the money we hand to our trustworthy friends, the Pakistani government.

there you go again with the personal insults.  your idea will need the creation of a new bureaucracy  and we already have too much of that.  the initial cost is not small potatoes, there would be hundreds of thousands of new employees handling all the paperwork.  unless of course you can dream that a couple of employees sitting on a desk somewhere can handle all the paperwork for the millions of people that would apply to participate on the free gun training class.  then of course somebody has to pay the instructors as they arent going to work for free.

if you want to own a gun then you need to be responsible for it and that includes getting your own safety training.  there's a lot of good programs out there and they arent that expensive until you include the government then all of a sudden the training class cost will increase considerably. 


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« Reply #625 on: September 02, 2012, 04:07:45 PM »
Wow!

I think you may have just summed up gun control laws as a whole!

 :rofl :D :neener:
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #626 on: September 02, 2012, 05:30:27 PM »
there you go again with the personal insults.  your idea will need the creation of a new bureaucracy  and we already have too much of that.  the initial cost is not small potatoes, there would be hundreds of thousands of new employees handling all the paperwork.  unless of course you can dream that a couple of employees sitting on a desk somewhere can handle all the paperwork for the millions of people that would apply to participate on the free gun training class.  then of course somebody has to pay the instructors as they arent going to work for free.

if you want to own a gun then you need to be responsible for it and that includes getting your own safety training.  there's a lot of good programs out there and they arent that expensive until you include the government then all of a sudden the training class cost will increase considerably. 


semp

Listen, if the truth is painful, say "ouch".

Above is the typical Semp logic at work... "Hundreds of thousands of new employees"...blah, blah, blah.....

Seriously Semp, you generate more BS than Pamplona in July.....
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #627 on: September 02, 2012, 05:51:54 PM »
there ya go: rights are demonstrably not absolute, universal and inviolable. they change depending on what a particular society at a particular time has decided they should be. there is nothing natural about them, they are artificial and created by man, not handed to us prepackaged by nature/god/reality/whatever.

rights are absolute if they are true. ability is not absolute.   the right to defend oneself is absolute. the ability is not.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #628 on: September 02, 2012, 06:19:02 PM »
Don't listen to RT he is talking gibberish, its a technique used by the middleclasses to appear to be supierior to the working classes - the term is called  "Elaborated Speech"

The lower orders use "Restricted speech"

Everyone in 1920's Germany was armed :old:

Is that like Cockney?
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #629 on: September 02, 2012, 06:20:05 PM »
Listen, if the truth is painful, say "ouch".

Above is the typical Semp logic at work... "Hundreds of thousands of new employees"...blah, blah, blah.....

Seriously Semp, you generate more BS than Pamplona in July.....

and you seem to be generating a lot of hot air and no rebuttal to semp's comments

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