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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #720 on: September 05, 2012, 09:29:18 AM »
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #721 on: September 05, 2012, 09:44:02 AM »
     If supplies were not brought over from America before we entered the war the UK would have been invaded. Maybe if England was producing thier own small arms in large quantities there would have been less of our Merchant Seamen lost.

  It's not about guns in every home repelling invaders but the infrastructure of a robust gun manufacturing sector. The US manufacturers were there to gear up for the war. If you ban most gun sales to your citizens the factories would have been out of business and not able to be producing weapons quickly.
   This is how it went down in WW2. Does history repeat itself? Sure does.

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The flow of materials did not begin until March 1941, under the Cash and Carry banner, lend lease began on 11th December 1941. Britain wouldnt have been invaded, it had beaten off the German onslaught and Op Sealion had been cancelled by the end of 1940. I am not disparaginh the bravery anf sacrifice of merchant seamen, however the US thathelped win the Battle of Britain were the volunteer pilots of the Eagle squadrons, not the merchant seamen who weren't tasked with resupplying the UK until the following year. By which time Barbarrossa was absorbing most of Hitlers attention and the US supplies were vital in helping us continue the war. The threat of invasion had passed by this point, if it was ever a realistic proposition in the first place considering the might of the Royal Navy at the time :salute
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #722 on: September 05, 2012, 10:05:12 AM »
     If supplies were not brought over from America before we entered the war the UK would have been invaded.  Maybe if England was producing thier own small arms in large quantities there would have been less of our Merchant Seamen lost.

Germany's failure to knock out the RAF scuppered such invasion plans, The Battle of Britain forced a 'phony war' before the USA were involved.

What you mean to say is "Britain would have been forced into a peace treaty or ceasefire with Hitler, as Britain would have been starved had the USA not helped the largest merchant fleet (British) in the world bring food to England. Hitler didn't want war with Britain, and would have welcomed such a plan allowing him to fully concentrate on the East and his 'living space' plans."

The manufacture of guns for armed citizenry would made no difference, the luftwaffe were required to get control of the air and knock out the RAF.

Also there is no way to determine if large manufacture of arms within Britain would have saved American Seamen, Britain needed food, and other supplies. Unless American was happy letting German uboats run riot within it's coastal waters, by withdrawing all it's destroyers and escorts from the Atlantic, nothing would have changed and Amertican Merchants weren't directly involved until mid 41 long after the threat of invasion had passed.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #723 on: September 05, 2012, 10:55:29 AM »
  I think some are stuck on the official lend lease program date in March 1941. Before that there were supplies flowing to the UK as they had little trade besides North America. In hindsight we can say Guns would have made no difference now, but the english did want them back then.
   True if the Germans knew how to make an invasion across the channel things would have been different.

  Getting back to the OP: Gun control only makes Victims helpless.
   
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #724 on: September 05, 2012, 10:57:33 AM »
  I think some are stuck on the official lend lease program date in March 1941. Before that there were supplies flowing to the UK as they had little trade besides North America. In hindsight we can say Guns would have made no difference now, but the english did want them back then.
   True if the Germans knew how to make an invasion across the channel things would have been different.

  Getting back to the OP: Gun control only makes Victims helpless.
   

Lend lease was December 1941. Cash and Carry was March 1941.
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« Reply #725 on: September 05, 2012, 11:10:51 AM »
Lend lease was December 1941. Cash and Carry was March 1941.

   I stand corrected on the official programs dates.
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« Reply #726 on: September 05, 2012, 11:15:06 AM »
Getting back to the OP: Gun control only makes Victims helpless.
Exactly!  Be a victim, or not. 



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« Reply #727 on: September 05, 2012, 11:24:59 AM »
crime prevention, policing, courts, lawyers, prisons etc are extremely expensive.

since guns prevent crime, why not just issue everyone with a MAC-10 and a coupla clips. over a lifetime, and given the economies of scale, the cost could be well under $100/yr per person. no more crime and a much reduced tax bill.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #728 on: September 05, 2012, 11:27:42 AM »
   I stand corrected on the official programs dates.

Sorry. I was being pedantic :salute
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« Reply #729 on: September 05, 2012, 11:32:17 AM »
Exactly!  Be a victim, or not. 

having a gun does not mean that you wont be a victim, just like not having a gun means you will be victimized.  I bet most home robberies happen when there's nobody home.  

crime prevention, policing, courts, lawyers, prisons etc are extremely expensive.

since guns prevent crime, why not just issue everyone with a MAC-10 and a coupla clips. over a lifetime, and given the economies of scale, the cost could be well under $100/yr per person. no more crime and a much reduced tax bill.

dont be a wuss.  hand everybody an m249 for home defense.  heck the more bullets you can shoot the easier it will be to hi the attacker.



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« Reply #730 on: September 05, 2012, 11:47:32 AM »
having a gun does not mean that you wont be a victim, just like not having a gun means you will be victimized. 
Yeah, O.K., keep that thought in mind.



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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #731 on: September 05, 2012, 11:50:05 AM »
dont be a wuss.  hand everybody an m249 for home defense.

I'm bearing in mind the budget deficit ;)


edit: and your balance of payments. you dont want to be sending all that money to belgium do you? :D
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #732 on: September 05, 2012, 11:51:55 AM »
hmm well lets see...since the "assault" weapons ban how many shootings has there been? how many mass shootings were 30 years before the ban?

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« Reply #733 on: September 05, 2012, 11:52:45 AM »
Yeah, O.K., keep that thought in mind.

I have had a gun in my house for about 10 years and I have been alive for 47.  for the first 37 years I wasn't a victim.  I was never assaulted or robbed, nobody broke into my house or stole my car.


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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #734 on: September 05, 2012, 11:55:50 AM »
More Merchant seaman would have been saved if Ireland had not been Pro German.

America saved the British Isles with lease lend, dont be so ungrafeful.

So we had to pay the debt off and we have no Empire, at the Height of the British Empire the majority of British people were living in slums and suffering from ill health.

"Your cruel to your own before your cruel to others" :)

Britains made more money not having a empire :) , and we are all fat.
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