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[Skuzzy]

None of the game developers have said Win8 is bad because it's made bad or the code doesn't work. They're scared of the live market place, secure boot and other things Microsoft is doing to take total control of the PC. No developer is excited on the prospect of having to pay Microsoft to sell products.

If MS goes overboard with control, another operating system will replace it and take the crown. Game devs are just freaking out because linux is still not ready for gaming and apple is too expensive for most consumers.

Everything you just said is speculation and opinion.  If Microsoft makes it painful for game devs to write games for the OS, those same devs will simply stick with consoles.

There is far more to it, but many devs will not, publicly, go into details for fear of reprisals from Microsoft.  Tech sites which depend on payments from Microsoft will not say anything bad about it either.  This is Vista all over again.  You can either recognize it or not.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Everything you just said is speculation and opinion.  If Microsoft makes it painful for game devs to write games for the OS, those same devs will simply stick with consoles.

There is far more to it, but many devs will not, publicly, go into details for fear of reprisals from Microsoft.  Tech sites which depend on payments from Microsoft will not say anything bad about it either.  This is Vista all over again.  You can either recognize it or not.

Now now... Built in marketplace = fact. MS 30% cut from apps sold there = fact. Secure boot = fact. MS stepping on feet of every digital distributor with its live marketplace = fact. Prospect of windows running only digitally signed code from Microsoft = speculation, but is a fact that it freaks out devs.

Gabe Newell also was quoted saying

Microsoft’s decision to make its own Xbox LIVE and Windows Store a part of Windows 8 is more than a little worrying for third parties. “There's a strong temptation to close the platform because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting,'".

So when I refer to this it's not speculation and opinion.

[Reschke]

So I take it you saw the scalable pricing that they are tossing out there for Win8? They are focusing on the market that thinks having a touch screen everything is good/cool; like the Apple crowd does other than their Macbooks.

I just scored two licenses for Win7 Ultimate 64 from an IT buddy. They were extras that he bought a couple of years ago and never used so he gave them to me since my original disc got chipped and cracked and MS wanted to charge me $50 for a new disc even though I already had the key and they have record of it being registered.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

So I take it you saw the scalable pricing that they are tossing out there for Win8? They are focusing on the market that thinks having a touch screen everything is good/cool; like the Apple crowd does other than their Macbooks.

I just scored two licenses for Win7 Ultimate 64 from an IT buddy. They were extras that he bought a couple of years ago and never used so he gave them to me since my original disc got chipped and cracked and MS wanted to charge me $50 for a new disc even though I already had the key and they have record of it being registered.

Win7 family pack 3 license upgrade is also a good option for many. Only 50 bucks or so a license.

[Skuzzy]

Now now... Built in marketplace = fact. MS 30% cut from apps sold there = fact. Secure boot = fact. MS stepping on feet of every digital distributor with its live marketplace = fact. Prospect of windows running only digitally signed code from Microsoft = speculation, but is a fact that it freaks out devs.

Gabe Newell also was quoted saying
So when I refer to this it's not speculation and opinion.

Gabe is the only dev with a vested stake in content delivery.  No one else has voiced any concerns as that being the reason they do not care for Windows 8.  Even Gabe had other things he disliked about Windows 8.

You take one dev and voice it as if it were facts for all devs.  That is drawing and presenting a conclusion based on one data point.  I call that an "opinion", and not even the most popular one, at the moment.

[Krusty]

This is very clearly a mobile OS. The integrated store is a nod to this. It's so when this is in use on phones they can use that store for the mobile aps. As to which companies will port desktop programs to it? I'd wager NONE. Most have their own ways of distribution. Windows cannot deny them the ability to install individually, or else windows dies, fast, bloody, and painfully. Windows may think it holds all the cards but it's 1 massive mistake away from disenfranchising all the folks that create programs for its OS. Windows without 3rd party programmers = lose. Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.

[Bino]

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Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.

Hey! It's not like Microsoft programmers are the only ones who suck.  IBM (Lotus Notes) programmers suck, too!

   

[zack1234]

I ugraded to Win 7.

Vista was a disgrace and shows how developers can loose all sense of reason

[Krusty]

Hey! It's not like Microsoft programmers are the only ones who suck.  IBM (Lotus Notes) programmers suck, too!

   

Fair enough, but let's just say I use windows because of how NON-microsoft programs run on it, not because of how microsoft programs run on it. 

Can you imagine if you had to use windows with ONLY MS programs? It's enough to make you switch to max/unix.

[Skuzzy]

This is very clearly a mobile OS. The integrated store is a nod to this. It's so when this is in use on phones they can use that store for the mobile aps. As to which companies will port desktop programs to it? I'd wager NONE. Most have their own ways of distribution. Windows cannot deny them the ability to install individually, or else windows dies, fast, bloody, and painfully. Windows may think it holds all the cards but it's 1 massive mistake away from disenfranchising all the folks that create programs for its OS. Windows without 3rd party programmers = lose. Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.

While it does indeed show to have roots in Microsoft's miserable mobile OS, it also tries to marry the XBox console into the experience as well.  It is not a marriage that mates well.  The experience left me shaking my head.  It's as though two different UI factions at Microsoft battled for the desktop and neither team won, so the consumer ends up losing.

It is just a klunky, kludgy feeling thing.  My biggest issue with it, is it does not solve any problems.  It is a horribly designed UI looking for a reason to exist.  It certainly is another attempt, by Microsoft, to force users into doing things the way they think it should be done, rather than allowing the user to make that choice.  Maybe they felt they needed to create problems to solve?

The entire OS wreaks of an application design mentality and not a systems design mentality.

Be forewarned, Microsoft is looking for a way to control the programs you can use under Windows.  Windows 8 contains many elements they need to get into place.  Windows 8 needs to fail.

Read this: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78  Keep in mind you are supposed to be able to disable that feature, but by default it is on.  Microsoft does not tell you about it, up front.

Keep telling me how great you think Windows 8 is and I will keep showing you why I think it needs to fail.

[Chalenge]

My concern is that MS may attempt to 'update' Windows 7 with that except same 'feature.'

[Krusty]

I know several "features" of Vista were held back from official release in XP so that users would feel there were "new" features and looks in Vista, when in fact they were years old, and intentionally left out. I think they might not bother doing a secret releast for 7. 7 is basically done. Although..... If they suddenly announce an SP4, be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Ack-Ack]

Gabe is the only dev with a vested stake in content delivery.  No one else has voiced any concerns as that being the reason they do not care for Windows 8.  Even Gabe had other things he disliked about Windows 8.

You take one dev and voice it as if it were facts for all devs.  That is drawing and presenting a conclusion based on one data point.  I call that an "opinion", and not even the most popular one, at the moment.

Gabe Newell hasn't been the only major developer to speak out, he was just the first big name developer to say something and others have followed suit.  Blizzard's Rod Pardo echoed Newell's sentiments when he tweeted, "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space*-- not awesome for Blizzard either,"

And they're right.

ack-ack

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Gabe Newell hasn't been the only major developer to speak out, he was just the first big name developer to say something and others have followed suit.  Blizzard's Rod Pardo echoed Newell's sentiments when he tweeted, "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space*-- not awesome for Blizzard either,"

And they're right.

ack-ack

Naturally, they're afraid they'll lose revenue from this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:1,c:7

[MrRiplEy[H]]

My concern is that MS may attempt to 'update' Windows 7 with that except same 'feature.'

You hit the nail to the head. Nothing whatsoever stops them from including this in a service pack or other Win7, Vista or even XP update. If MS chooses to do it there's nothing consumers can do about it other than STOP USING MICROSOFT COMPLETELY. I've opted for that route a looong long time ago. My only Win licenses are for games at this date. The game devs also know that games deadlocked to the faith of windows and this is what freaks them out.