yesterday was mustang vs camaro at atco raceway.

[CAP1]

 i didn't get to go, as i had family stuff to do......but i kind of followed what was happening through facebook posts.

 what happened, was what everyone expected. the mustangs ruled the nest. again. in both brackets.....Bracket 1: Street tires .500 full tree dial in (no throttle stops & no delay boxes), and Bracket Slick/Drag Radial: .500 full tree dial in (no throttle stops & no delay boxes), followed up by Heads Up Quick 8: 4 quickest Mustangs vs 4 quickest Camaros
.500 pro tree trophy race.

 the quickest car there from what i've seen, was evolution's 2013 gt, running 9.46@149mph, and rumor has it that this 3900# street car trailered a back halved camaro in the finals.  i believe that's a street car, with less then 200 miles on it. not sure though. their shelby's running mid 9's too.

 this was sponsored by both south jersey mustang and south jersey camaro clubs. it looks like everyone had a good time. i really wish i coulda made it........maybe next year. by then, i'll probably even run mine.....or i'll have another with an auto trans and blower.........

[eagl]

Meh.  If they'd had to turn my stock '98 firebird would have taken them, all day any day.   

Still, 149 in the 1/4 is quick for a street legal ride.  I think I'd still prefer my Dad's stock Z06 better though.  Straight-line speed usually directly correlates to how much money was thrown at the car even when driver skill is taken into account.  Once you get past a certain level, driver and mechanic skill pretty much makes the difference only when the budget is unlimited.

Whereas on a road course, a car's basic design and a good driver can trump expensive mods all day.

To each his own I guess.  Going fast in a straight line is too expensive a hobby for me though, and after busting the mach and pulling 9 Gs for a living, I don't think I'd be happy at the cheap hobby level.  Give me a well handling car I can throw around a curvy track though...  I can push myself on the cheap doing that and have a chance at beating others who have more money than skill.

For the price of a blown motor at the dragstrip, I think I'd have more fun driving down the street tossing $20 bills out the sunroof.  Now THAT could be fun.

[icepac]

Meanwhile in a stock unibody (not 1/2 or 3/4.....factory unibody) toyota......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mem-6PwasU0

[CAP1]

Meh.  If they'd had to turn my stock '98 firebird would have taken them, all day any day.   

Still, 149 in the 1/4 is quick for a street legal ride.  I think I'd still prefer my Dad's stock Z06 better though.  Straight-line speed usually directly correlates to how much money was thrown at the car even when driver skill is taken into account.  Once you get past a certain level, driver and mechanic skill pretty much makes the difference only when the budget is unlimited.

Whereas on a road course, a car's basic design and a good driver can trump expensive mods all day.

To each his own I guess.  Going fast in a straight line is too expensive a hobby for me though, and after busting the mach and pulling 9 Gs for a living, I don't think I'd be happy at the cheap hobby level.  Give me a well handling car I can throw around a curvy track though...  I can push myself on the cheap doing that and have a chance at beating others who have more money than skill.

For the price of a blown motor at the dragstrip, I think I'd have more fun driving down the street tossing $20 bills out the sunroof.  Now THAT could be fun.

supposedly there's talk going on about a second matchup at a road course.....more than likely it would be new jersey motorsports park. they've got a nice road course there.

[CAP1]

so how exactly does a tubbed car get to be considered stock chassis?

 the vid of the finals.....street car vs track car.....and i'd venture that this one truly does have a stock chassis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PjtwCyXvj3I

[icepac]

The point is that is not a tube frame car whether "back halved" or a "3/4 stock chassis".

Plenty of unibody cars can be tubbed while retaining the unibody.

I've built of "tub cars" for SCCA GT-2 that were unibody cars with enlarged wheelwells.

At one time (maybe still today) the GT classes had rules that allowed a to run IRS if it was built prior to january 1, 1990 so we found old "tub cars" and rebuilt them rather than run solid axle on a new tube frame build.

[Curval]

Yea, but the Camaros looked better the whole time.

[CAP1]

The point is that is not a tube frame car whether "back halved" or a "3/4 stock chassis".

Plenty of unibody cars can be tubbed while retaining the unibody.

I've built of "tub cars" for SCCA GT-2 that were unibody cars with enlarged wheelwells.

At one time (maybe still today) the GT classes had rules that allowed a to run IRS if it was built prior to january 1, 1990 so we found old "tub cars" and rebuilt them rather than run solid axle on a new tube frame build.

 so it's "back halved", caged, tubbed, wheelie barred, and other stuff, but still stock chassis. 

 you wanna see stock chassis going fast, look at the fast mustangs, and fast camaros. most of them are getting into the 9's with nothing more than computer mods, some bolt ons(for the mustangs), engine mods(for the camaros), and a slick.

[CAP1]

Yea, but the Camaros looked better the whole time.

 hehehehe.....from the pics i saw, there were quite a few bad bellybutton looking camaros. there was a 56 chevy pictured that was absolutely gorgeous. and of course, they spoiled the whole thing by letting bikes, and rice rockets run too.

[icepac]

so it's "back halved", caged, tubbed, wheelie barred, and other stuff, but still stock chassis. 

 you wanna see stock chassis going fast, look at the fast mustangs, and fast camaros. most of them are getting into the 9's with nothing more than computer mods, some bolt ons(for the mustangs), engine mods(for the camaros), and a slick.

Nope........not back halved.....it is full unibody with the wheelwells enlarged.

The back halved toyotas are doing a full second quicker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=2kGJQSRG8dw&NR=1

[CAP1]

hehehehe.....from the pics i saw, there were quite a few bad bellybutton looking camaros. there was a 56 chevy pictured that was absolutely gorgeous. and of course, they spoiled the whole thing by letting bikes, and rice rockets run too.

 HEHEHEHE.....bad bellybutton.....

[CAP1]

Nope........not back halved.....it is full unibody with the wheelwells enlarged.

The back halved toyotas are doing a full second quicker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=2kGJQSRG8dw&NR=1

 ok. not back halved. enlarged wheel wells. those looked like 14" slicks? shortened rear. different rear suspension, due to the shortened rear. caged. not stock chassis.

 stock chassis is what you see the camaros mustangs, and challengers running.

[ozrocker]

I missed it
Last time I went, one of my friends ran his 06 GTO, broke shifter, still ran 12.8
My Granddaughter's other Granddad blew a hole through one of his stang's pistons running Nitrous in a modded 6


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[Golfer]

You should've been there CAP...

Camaros won both bracket races. Both were driven by girls. Dana and Nicole.

Evolution turned up the spray on their GT and beat Nicole (who won the sticky tire class) by not a lot.

All the late model Camaros were cannon fodder. I went -0.012 first round unfortunately and the bastard had a .130 light. Yeah good thing I tried cutting the tree down.

[CAP1]

You should've been there CAP...

Camaros won both bracket races. Both were driven by girls. Dana and Nicole.

Evolution turned up the spray on their GT and beat Nicole (who won the sticky tire class) by not a lot.

All the late model Camaros were cannon fodder. I went -0.012 first round unfortunately and the bastard had a .130 light. Yeah good thing I tried cutting the tree down.

 that was close. sounds like a tiny bit deeper than your normal stage would've done that.

 i really wanted to go, but like i said, i had family stuff to do down at my aunt and uncles. i wouldn't have run mine anyway......i've pretty much decided that if this car gets raced, it's gonna be road course only. if i'm gonna drag race a new stang, i'm either going to get an 011 with an automatic, or an 011 6 speed, and convert it to a tremec, then do things to that one

 although i could've been a traitor, and brought my camaro down......but my first pass would've been my only one in that, as if i'm correct i need an nhra license to go in the 8's........