Just a random observation

[hitech]

Talking about whiners? There is one, right above me, with all the classic ingredients of a whine. 

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[bozon]

If the GV game takes an increasing part of the game instead of a side show like it used to be, the "sim" part of it needs improvements. The most significant of is the ground itself - in RL vehicles are very limited in where they can go. This is why roads exist and even tanks tend to move along roads. Open terrain is not a big asphalt surface with trees coming out of it. It is full of rocks, holes, mud, ditches and streams that makes it impassable to most vehicles and difficult even for tanks.

Why does that matter? Because when I hunt GV's from a plane (not with 3xlancs...), GVs can be every where and go at full speed across any terrain. If I cannot see GVs from the plane, they should not be going everywhere, but more restricted to roads and I will hunt for them along the roads. There will be choke points to the ground war.

If the ground war brings HTC more customers, then this is worth an investment. My only fear is that it will take over the game because there is a lot more demand for FPS and tank games than to combat flight sims. As long as it stays "Aces high" and not "Tank ace".

[Dragon]

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[icepac]

I think the majority of the vehicle kills that were skewing the numbers is the guys who spawn a tank to rumble out to spawn without even looking around or simply listening for the enemy tanks that are driving across his field.

[Rob52240]

Trinity is a closet spawn campers wet dream come true.  Unfortunately spawn camping is the only way to become the #1 GV rank.

Since maneuver doesn't factor in, we should introduce the Maginot line as a perked stationary object to deploy.   Some guys would also be happy to spawn in as a minefield if the perk cost were reasonable.

[Zoney]

Nah the few GV whiners will get the game changed so that no bullets or bombs can touch GVs... They'll pass right through and impact on the ground. Bombs will be evaporated by the same HO-shield that AW used to have, but changed to work for GVs.



Don't laugh, because that's how the whiners want it, and they've been getting their way lately with game changes.

That may be true Krusty, I see that myself.  I am just thankful that we all still have the FSO to play where that would never ever happen.  It's the one part of AH

that cannot be manipulated by a vociferous few. 

[Nathan60]

Nah the few GV whiners will get the game changed so that no bullets or bombs can touch GVs... They'll pass right through and impact on the ground. Bombs will be evaporated by the same HO-shield that AW used to have, but changed to work for GVs.



Don't laugh, because that's how the whiners want it, and they've been getting their way lately with game changes.

well, this is Aces High not Ace Low you shouldn't be down there messing with the treadheads anyway. Also, this makes 0 sense since I seem to recall they just added a tank buster.

[Babalonian]

Don't exaggerate.. we have played on 13 different maps this tour, and so far trinity was up for only 46% of the time....   

You're kidding me!?  Let me see those numbers.  I have no record, but I remember at least 2 weeks worth up to date this month, it had at least two full-ish rotations (I think the rotation timer broke and we had one 10-day bout too), taking into account this past weekend's latest roation too.

The last week was some R&R from Trinity though, every day or other day was a different map (and none of them were Trinity).  It seemed to of helped, the fights are really good on trinity the last few days.  The progress they make however keeps going back and forth though, without fail most the time (how often does it get rotated via victory?) it stalls out at some point, gets retaken, and all efforts and gains need to be repeated.

[Chilli]

well, this is Aces High not Ace Low you shouldn't be down there messing with the treadheads anyway. Also, this makes 0 sense since I seem to recall they just added a tank buster.

I tried this spawn yesterday to see first hand.  Yep, there were folks in perfect cover for 15 minutes running up camped kills.  The V135 spawn is PROTECTED by a 10k wall that prevents such tank busting additions to make it to the spawn (or at the very least makes it an 15+ minute ordeal).  When I attempted to do such, there were no less than 2 spitfire fighters there protecting the campers.  Guess what happened?  I made the Spit pilot miss a few times and then eventually succumbed, leaving the spawn camped and a bad taste (even worst than before) for the Trinity map.

[SPKmes]

I tried this spawn yesterday to see first hand.  Yep, there were folks in perfect cover for 15 minutes running up camped kills.  The V135 spawn is PROTECTED by a 10k wall that prevents such tank busting additions to make it to the spawn (or at the very least makes it an 15+ minute ordeal).  When I attempted to do such, there were no less than 2 spitfire fighters there protecting the campers.  Guess what happened?  I made the Spit pilot miss a few times and then eventually succumbed, leaving the spawn camped and a bad taste (even worst than before) for the Trinity map.

I like to go there when there is red dar ... purely to kill the a2a contacts.... It is a good place to fight and make things hit cliff faces ..... 

[Ack-Ack]

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You're feeling a little gracious today, I would have given it a 2.5 on the Krusty scale due to the lack of artistic merit.

ack-ack

[Chilli]

I like to go there when there is red dar ... purely to kill the a2a contacts.... It is a good place to fight and make things hit cliff faces ..... 

I may just be  but if there weren't such perfect sniper positions for particular spawns, then air presence in those conditions would be null.  Again, another reason that Trinity has SUCKED the life out of my desire to ignore the wife and household duties to play AH.   Ummmm..... maybe that's a good thing.

  Tongs always good to fly with you.

[BaldEagl]

The nature of the ground war is somewhat broken

Obviously the increasing numbers of GVers don't think so.

As to 135 the spawn battles can be quite intense and a lot of fun but one night, myself and two others parked further back towards the base letting the enemy onto the ridgeline.  We held our positions for a couple of hours as the enemy tried various tactics to root us out.  That was really fun as everyone had a fighting chance but even at that, no matter where you are on the map, once you are hidden and have range you have the advantage.  If people weren't whining about spawn camping (always non GVers BTW) they'd be whining about that.

[mensa180]

Cool data Lusche, how are you determining significance? 

[Chilli]

Obviously the increasing numbers of GVers don't think so.

As to 135 the spawn battles can be quite intense and a lot of fun but one night, myself and two others parked further back towards the base letting the enemy onto the ridgeline.  We held our positions for a couple of hours as the enemy tried various tactics to root us out.  That was really fun as everyone had a fighting chance but even at that, no matter where you are on the map, once you are hidden and have range you have the advantage.  If people weren't whining about spawn camping (always non GVers BTW) they'd be whining about that.

Before going on record with the word of choice, "whine", I would examine my own bias in posting, ergo whining about whines. 

So, you say you were hidden, and held your position for a couple of hours, yet EVERYONE had a fighting chance. 

I present the dilemma that your "fighting chance" may present.  You are in cover and have a small window of exposure to incoming rounds.  You have established your range to the enemy spawn point and can accurately kill a heavily armored tank with one round (happened yesterday from another player).  The enemy spawns in with little or no cover and has a split second to find your mostly hidden location rotate his turret and get the accurate range and shot off. 

Yeah, that sounds exactly like a fighting chance 

No, only vehicles, excluding LVt's and PT boats.


And of course it's because of the V135 spawn. The last time Trinity was up, the 135 spawn battle was largely absent because the bases around it had been captured. Total GV quota: 35%.
This time the 135 spawn battle is 'working', and the total GV quota since it came up again 44 hours ago is 55%.

So yes, that single camp is absolutely inflating the numbers. But that should not dilute the fact that the ground game has become more and more important over the years

Oh, by the way, if you were following the thread, the increase in the percentage of GV kills was being discussed.  Lusche has yet tied this to an actual number showing an increase in the number of folks that participate in the ground war.  Even more to the point, spawn camping was just one example of disproving that very correlation.  The graph showing the gradual increase in kill percentage was the only hint of evidence that numbers of GV'er may have increased.