410 Rounds disapere

[Scherf]

Thanks for that Bustr.

Had a crack at it with the settings in the manuals, can't get the 30mms right on the pipper at 900 yards as I should (near as dammit 800m), can do so at 800 yards though.

You're correct also about the impossibility of using the 20mm with the MK103s, the gap is too large. Would be really great if we could use the 30mms with a separate fire button. Without that, the 20mms are just dead weight.

How about it HTC? The BK 5 needs the backspace button, can we get the 30mms that way too?

(And while I'm at it, can we get another crew position with a telescopic view for the special sight for the big guns?)

[hitech]

Rounds disappearance is time base, but life time is configured for each weapons separately not a global number.

HiTech

[chris3]

moin

than it would be nice if you can made tham a bit longer for the 410 weapons.

cu christian

[Scherf]

Would also be neat to have the option of a 151/15 loadout...

[Krusty]

You're correct also about the impossibility of using the 20mm with the MK103s, the gap is too large. Would be really great if we could use the 30mms with a separate fire button. Without that, the 20mms are just dead weight.

How about it HTC? The BK 5 needs the backspace button, can we get the 30mms that way too?

Not so. I rather like being able to fire 20mms at the same time as 30mms. You would significantly hobble the burst firing capabilities of the 410 by setting up the trigger that way. They should not be compared to the BK5 like you do.

[Scherf]

I don't like having to fire them together, as the 30mms are great as a standoff weapon, at which ranges the 20mms are, as has been shown above, well below the target. By the time both sets of cannon are passing through the same space, the 410's in so close the ballistic advantage of the 103s is completely nullifiedl.

[Krusty]

Ballistics alone aren't its only benefit. The giant fireball and the POW it gives are quite handy at ranges LESS than 1 km, as well!

This is where the snapshot capability comes in handy, and also when you're diving at high speed on bombers below, firing all cannons helps. Those Mk103 can land several without quite detaching a wing, or a fuselage. You fire the 20mms with them, and it's a sure thing. The bomber is so large a target that at moderate ranges you're still likely to hit with both caliber cannons.

I can understand what you mean about the "sniping" Mk 103s, but that's not their only use is what I want to point out.

[bustr]

We could have the anti-shipping version that I/ZG 1 used. It was moved into the anti-bomber role with the FuG 200 "Hohentwiel" radar removed. The A1\U4(BK5) and B2\U1(MK103) Zerstörer both had the ZFR4 telescope gunsight installed for aiming the primary long range weapon outside of bomber defensive fire range. Both of these versions supported additional forward firing pairs of 13mm and 20mm.

Antishipping Zerstörergeschwader

Me 410-B6  2-13mm, 2-20mm, 2-MK103, and FuG 200 "Hohentwiel" radar.

Something as large as a surface vessel would be the kind of target that the differences in ballistics would be acceptable at about 600m since you have such a large area of very slow moving target to shower rounds upon. But, as you saw in the offline target screen captures, the 20mm is not an acceptable long range weapon slaved to the MK103 past 650 while the MK103 can hit bombers from 1000 with a high rate of fire.

Sitting at 1000 behind a B17 is opening things up to a few random .50 cals reaching you. Still, if you do your home work offline and build your gunsight from testing against the target. You can become pretty accurate from 1000 with the MK103. I just hate to see players wasting half their 20mm while sniping bombers from 1000 yards in the game when an historical sollution exists within the selector switch.

Scherf,

The ZFR4 gunsight was a Revi16 body with a telescope incorporated into it just below the reticle projector lense. The pilot looked through the telescope which had it's own reticle to aim the MK103 or BK5. In the game you would simple use full zoom.


Zielfernrohre ZFR4A Gunsight




Reticle Image

[Scherf]

Thanks again bustr. I've been using full zoom online, however I was hoping we could get something like the full zoom that's available in the film viewer.

I *do* love them bright orange puffballs from the 30mms.

[Charge]

As the 410 was easy to modify from a bomber into an interceptor on the field in few hours there was a wide variety of different combinations. ZFR4 could be used with MK103 of BK5 but there are examples of both without it. Many interceptors had the upper nose glazing switched to a armored panel and there was also a model where the armor panel could be moved up to provide added protection or down to improve view.

-C+

[bustr]

Guess Hitech should direct Waffle to update the 410 with a cover over the lower nose glass and coad some more armor. Then everyone set the guns to 650 in the MK103 version and accept getting blown out of the sky by bombers, or giving up half their 20mm to shoot bombers at 1000 yards.

999000 will love this.

After digging through this nice read....we could have almost anything the Luft decided to put together and call Me410xx\xx.

http://www.1y2gm.com/t3177-messerschmitt-me-210-410