Mosquito Mk. XVIII

[titanic3]

Better gun than the 57mm. Unless the tse-tse used APDS rounds, anyway, althoug I've never heard of it using them.

Depending on how hard-hitting they model the 57mm rounds (look at how the 37mm rounds for the BK 37 were), the Hs 129 would be a more effective tank-buster, particularly against heavyily armored units like the Tiger I and II, or the IS-2 if we ever get it.


We're talking like 82mm of penetration vs 136mm. Thats a big difference.

Except you might as well be flying a Lancaster. Because that's how it's going to perform, if not even worse.

[Butcher]

Except you might as well be flying a Lancaster. Because that's how it's going to perform, if not even worse.

Yeah and the B-25H does so well in a long gentle slope dive towards a tank.

[Karnak]

Better gun than the 57mm. Unless the tse-tse used APDS rounds, anyway, althoug I've never heard of it using them.

Depending on how hard-hitting they model the 57mm rounds (look at how the 37mm rounds for the BK 37 were), the Hs 129 would be a more effective tank-buster, particularly against heavyily armored units like the Tiger I and II, or the IS-2 if we ever get it.


We're talking like 82mm of penetration vs 136mm. Thats a big difference.

Once again, take your "German only" roadkill and start a thread asking for it.

[Tank-Ace]

The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?

Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.



If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.

[titanic3]

The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?

Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.



If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.

How? You'll get raped the moment a fighter shows up, even a 40 ENY one. At least with the other anti tanks, you have a chance against some of the weaker ones.

[Karnak]

The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?

Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.



If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.

FYI, "roadkill" was what the BBS substituted for what I actually wrote.

Fact: The Hs129 could barely fly with the BK 7,5.  It was underpowered from the start and with the 75mm gun dangerously so.

While the gun is better than the Mollins 57mm it is crippled by being attached to the Hs129.  If the two aircraft were both added I guarantee that the Mosquito Mk XVIII would see vastly higher usage than the Hs129 simply due to the fact that the Mosquito airframe is vastly more capable than the Hs129 airframe.  The gun does you no good if you cannot bring it to bear on the target.

Now, drop your hijack and start your own pro-Hs129 thread.

[Butcher]

How? You'll get raped the moment a fighter shows up, even a 40 ENY one. At least with the other anti tanks, you have a chance against some of the weaker ones.

Someone apparently didn't even bother to fly 1 sortie in a Me-410. He-129 is going to perform so much better except for the fact any given 40 eny plane in Aces High will school it with a 10k alt loss.

Here's some info and I don't even need to bother checking data for it:

Hs 129 C
In order to address the poor performance of the aircraft, plans had been underway for some time to fit the plane with newer versions of the Italian Isotta-Fraschini Delta engine that delivered 630 kW (850 hp). The engine installation ran into a number of delays however, and was still not ready for production when the plant was overrun by the Allies in 1945.

Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.

fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.

maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.

[titanic3]

Someone apparently didn't even bother to fly 1 sortie in a Me-410. He-129 is going to perform so much better except for the fact any given 40 eny plane in Aces High will school it with a 10k alt loss.

Here's some info and I don't even need to bother checking data for it:

Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.

fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.

maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.

On a side note, Butcher vs Tank Ace, round #12,356...BEGIN!

[Karnak]

The Mosquito Mk XVIII was powered by two Rolls-Royce Merlin 25s each producing 1,640hp.

The Hs129 was powered by two Gnome-Rhône 14M 4/5s each producing 700hp.

That is 3,280hp for the Mosquito and 1,400hp for the Hs129.

Have fun trying to lug a 75mm gun on 1,400hp.

[Butcher]

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You better get to bed, you work an an ice cream shop now - need to save that arm for filling ice cream scoops. Don't worry if that arm gets tired just switch over - even if the other is already tired from daily activity:)
Oh yeah...

[titanic3]

You better get to bed, you work an an ice cream shop now - need to save that arm for filling ice cream scoops. Don't worry if that arm gets tired just switch over - even if the other is already tired from daily activity:)
Oh yeah...

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You should get to bed old man...your arms must be tired of the hourly you know what sessions. Or else no ice cream cones for you fat man. 

[Tank-Ace]

Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.

Will it be more vulnerable to fighters? Hell yes. But it would be just about the only thing in the inventory that can reguarly and reliably knock out Tigers and KT's.

fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.

maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.

Check under the names 49Jager or 49Nem.


Not saying it was a fair fight; I had started with at least 5k alt at the bottom of my dive and was fighting fresh up aircraft (I had just bombed the VH, and the ordnance bunkers). But I did tangle with a typhoon, a P-51 and a spitfire of an unknown model. I killed the P-51 and I think oiled the typhoon so he had to land. Can't remember if I got the kill on him or not.

[tuton25]

Alot of the posts say that this won't handle well in a dogfight on the deck (where it will be most of the time), but you have to remember that this is not a fighter. It is a ground attack plane and should be treated as such. If you want a fighter mossie I suggest the Mk. 2 or 30. These are lighter and faster than the Mk 6 we have.

[Karnak]

Alot of the posts say that this won't handle well in a dogfight on the deck (where it will be most of the time), but you have to remember that this is not a fighter. It is a ground attack plane and should be treated as such. If you want a fighter mossie I suggest the Mk. 2 or 30. These are lighter and faster than the Mk 6 we have.

The Mk II was a bit lighter due to a weaker wing spar and less fuel tanks, but it was most certainly not faster than the Mk VI, probably about 30-35mph slower on the deck.  The Mk 30 is faster up high, slower down low as compared to the Mk VI and probably not significantly lighter or heavier than the Mk VI.

[SmokinLoon]

More punch as it would be firing AP rounds instead of HE rounds.

1 British 3in/60 Pdr rocket does 187 HE damage.  1 AP round from %75 of the 75 and 76mm AP rounds do 78 lbs damage.  Once could estimate that the 57mm AP round would do LESS than 78 lbs of damage vs an OBJ.  Granted, there is no real way of measuring which one would be more effective vs a ship, but may I suggest trying a few runs against a fleet using the Me410 and the 50mm HE that does 50 lbs of damage and see how that goes?

The Tse Tse would be fun to play with, but again I'm not sure what it would be good at.  Maybe busting gv's, but that is anyone's guess.