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Offline F89

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 11:25:21 AM »
+1 on all three flying boats. But if I can only have one I want the PBY-5A. More mulite role cable it was used to run suplys to pasific basies but it also unlike the outher 2 choices can land on land. I would defently fly it expeshaly if you could up like a formashion of 3 from a carryer groop and then hit targets. As long as you had fighter cover it would be way better than a TBM.

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2012, 11:36:34 AM »
+1 for the Catalina

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2012, 11:42:01 AM »
I want pby for my new fav torp bomber!

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2012, 04:33:40 AM »
H8K was rare but used for anti shipping and bombing. but i like MERKIN a/c so pby def h8k is good idea as well plus the A6m2 with floats. they were used quiet alot granted the floats added alot of weight and drag when fighting
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2012, 07:25:33 AM »
One answer to the problem of the PBY being overshadowed by the H8K in arena play would be to perk the H8K.
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2012, 08:08:36 AM »
ince we're having all these changes in the game when it comes to resupplying. I thought it be a good time to bring up the idea of being able to resupply cv fleets, and what better plane can you think of for a role like that besides the PBY Catalina! :banana: It'd be tons of fun! Also add some more options to aircraft we can fly out of ports. Or even a pt boat with supplies from a pt spawn n drive out to cv. So, what do you guys think?
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2012, 08:42:57 AM »
One answer to the problem of the PBY being overshadowed by the H8K in arena play would be to perk the H8K.
Well, there may not have been a lot of H8Ks built, but they were worked hard.  And if overshadowing the PBY-5A is cause to be perked pretty much everything other than the Storch will need to be perked.  Remember, the H8K2's performance is about the same as a B-17G's.

The problem with the PBY-5A is that its performance is so much lower that if the option is between it and taking off from another base with land based planes the best answer will almost always be to take off from another base with land based planes.

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2012, 11:10:43 AM »
+ for the PBY and resupply of CV.  A flying boat resupplying a CVBG is no more ridiculous than a single M3 doing this for a land base.  The resupply feature of the main arena strat game was never meant to be realistic. Rather, it was meant to introduce a basic logistics system without requiring the massive manpower and material support, not to mention the inherently unexciting (relatively, as I don't wish to in any way denigrate the heroic efforts of the combat support troops) nature of, military logistics.

The PBY is, as has been noted, an iconic aircraft, built in larger numbers than any other comparable seaplane, and played a historically significant role in every maritime theater during WWII.  It has the advantage of being amphibious, able to operate from both land and sea, and is a multi-role platform.  I'd like to see it capable of operating from ports and coastal airbases, and have the ability to carry field supplies, vehicle supplies, bombs, and torpedoes (not troops, as it was not typically used for dropping paratroops, though it was occasionally used to insert commando forces).  Resupply of a CV would involve setting down on the water within 1 mile of the CV and discharging the cargo (do so quickly, lest the CV move beyond 1 mile while you're puttzing around).  On a historical note, while the limited cargo capacity of a PBY did not allow it (historically speaking) to perform bulk resupply of a task force at sea, they were in fact used to deliver high-value replacement parts for critical systems, and personnel, too, to naval units at sea and to isolated land outposts.  From a game-play perspective, I would not allow them to spawn from CV's, as this is simply historically unfounded.

On a tangential note, I'd love to see the float-plane version of the A6M added, also to give ports a limited ability to project air power and to protect against it.  I also think it would be cool to add a float plane that could operate from the cruiser, while we're asking for the world. :pray :D
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2012, 11:26:43 AM »
Well, there may not have been a lot of H8Ks built, but they were worked hard.  And if overshadowing the PBY-5A is cause to be perked pretty much everything other than the Storch will need to be perked.  Remember, the H8K2's performance is about the same as a B-17G's.

The problem with the PBY-5A is that its performance is so much lower that if the option is between it and taking off from another base with land based planes the best answer will almost always be to take off from another base with land based planes.

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PBY-5A: ENY 40

This is one reason why the PBY and H8K should have a mechanical role specific role unique to them that no other plane can do, like the Storch and its advantages spotting GVs (CV spotting as I suggested).
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2012, 12:03:56 PM »
This is one reason why the PBY and H8K should have a mechanical role specific role unique to them that no other plane can do, like the Storch and its advantages spotting GVs (CV spotting as I suggested).
The problem is that the PBY-5A's performance is so bad it would simply not get used for CV spotting.  The H8K2s might be good enough, but the moment you toss a perk price onto a 285mph plane it will also not get used.
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2012, 06:33:06 PM »
I want pby for CV sinking...2 US toros sink a Cv and the pby would have them.

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2012, 07:15:43 PM »
I want pby for CV sinking...2 US toros sink a Cv and the pby would have them.

Since we don't have a night period in which the PBY could use to hide itself during an attack and the CV guns are modeled to mimic radar controlled guns, the Catalina's chances of surviving long enough to launch its torpedoes would be very slim in game.

People don't seem to realize that the PBY's success in the anti-shipping role was largely due to the fact they were flying at night with all the protection the darkness afforded.  The PBY wouldn't have that added protection in game.

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2012, 10:23:43 AM »
Since we don't have a night period in which the PBY could use to hide itself during an attack and the CV guns are modeled to mimic radar controlled guns, the Catalina's chances of surviving long enough to launch its torpedoes would be very slim in game.

People don't seem to realize that the PBY's success in the anti-shipping role was largely due to the fact they were flying at night with all the protection the darkness afforded.  The PBY wouldn't have that added protection in game.

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All I need is 5in gunners looking the other way/no gunners manning them. It's what it takes for any torp plane to get a hit anyway(at least for me and I torp often)
Anyway I also fly plane because I like them, not because it's "survivable" in LW(my like of torps for ships instead of buff). I'm sure others do the same.

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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2012, 10:59:22 AM »
All I need is 5in gunners looking the other way/no gunners manning them.
You also need complete air superiority.  Even an A6M2 will rip you apart.  The slow Sea Hurricane Mk I may well find its perfect prey in the PBY-5A.
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Re: Resupp CV's with PBY Catalina
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2012, 11:15:46 AM »
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