Unknown Revolver (to me anyways)

[jay]

Disclaimer: I DID NOT TAKE IT APPART, nor did i let it get into the condition that it is currently in
i am only finding out who makes it and i need your guys help if you dont mind.


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/dscf0782w.jpg/

This is the frame and hammer of the revolver 

The numbers to the side are
Y40381

And under the barrel is
001301

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/dscf0784m.jpg/

THIS PICTURE IS HORRIBLE D:

but the 12O.clock postion has the numbers
901301

At the two and eleven are the letters BNP with little crowns over them and also at the six



I do not own this gun i only took the pictures of it and wanted to know the make

<S>
hope you guys can help


i most likely F'ed up the pictures

[Plawranc]

I think thats a 38 Double action US Army revolver. late 1800's

[jay]

The barrel is shorter than one of those and the front sight is changed

[Masherbrum]

It is a No. 2 Mk I Enfield revolver which originally had a 5" barrel.   In the 60's many were cut down to 2" and were Nickel Plated.  

Edit:  IIRC BNP is one of the British Commercial Proof Marks (Birmingham Proof House)

[colmbo]

That certainly is not an Enfield, the Enfield breaks ahead of the cylinder.

I'd bet money on it being a Smith and Wesson.  Classic S&W frame and hammer.  The hammer spring is missing from the grip frame, tensioning screw is back out in front of grip.

Looks like a Model 36 "Chiefs Special" although the front sight is different that most I've seen and no extractor rod catch under the barrel so perhaps a very early model or fore runner of the model 36.

[Shamus]

IIRC the chief special is a 5 shot.

shamus

[gyrene81]

if it weren't for the frame on the grip, that looks very much like a snub nose s&w 10. any chance you got a pic of the other side of that gun?

[Chalenge]

Its a Colt 1908 Short like this one but with a shorter barrel:

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Deactivated-Pistol-Hand-guns/Colt-colt-1908-gun-for-sale-gs83801.aspx

[MiloMorai]

It is a No. 2 Mk I Enfield revolver which originally had a 5" barrel.   In the 60's many were cut down to 2" and were Nickel Plated.  

Edit:  IIRC BNP is one of the British Commercial Proof Marks (Birmingham Proof House)

Enfield

[mbailey]

if it weren't for the frame on the grip, that looks very much like a snub nose s&w 10. any chance you got a pic of the other side of that gun?

Your right its   the Mod 10  from a mfg date of around 1914 / 1915 by the SN Y40381

 

Note the grip screw on the front strap of the grip frame.....also, not an old colt, the old Colt Police Positives had a screw up near where the web of your thumb rests on the frame (RH shooter), and the slide release mech slot was different. Also on the frame of your gun, note the flare near where the rear of the cylinder rests, this is a classic SW look. On the Colts that area of the frame is flat, and cylinder release  face is flat.

Also although this pic doesnt show the SW with the taper coming off the BBL, Early Smiths had it. This is just the best side by side SW/Colt pic i could find to explain what i wrote above.   Smith is on the Left, Colt is on the Right


Yours


Also, note on the SW pic i posted, on the BBL you can see where the cylinder rod rests into a piece off the barrel, Note on your gun you dont have that small piece off the BBL, but you have the groove there from where it was located Directly under where you sight is now, on the underside part of the BBL.....

IIRC the chief special is a 5 shot.

shamus

It is

 

Edit:  IIRC BNP is one of the British Commercial Proof Marks (Birmingham Proof House)

This one is more than likely a Lend Lease SW that was cut down. BNP is most definately Brit Proof Marks. Hundreds of thousands of SWs were sent over seas for both World Wars. Looks like this one may have suffered the same fate as the Enfields you remarked about. Its evident in the removal of the cylinder rod catch removed from the BBL of his gun

[Widewing]

Smith & Wesson Military and Police.... I think...

Precursor to the Model 10...

Pay close attention to shape of the trigger guard and the hammer assembly and grip interface.
There were several variations on the grip frame, so keep that in mind.

[gyrene81]

Your right its   the Mod 10  from a mfg date of around 1914 / 1915 by the SN Y40381

 

Note the grip screw on the front strap of the grip frame.....also, not an old colt, the old Colt Police Positives had a screw up near where the web of your thumb rests on the frame (RH shooter), and the slide release mech slot was different. Also on the frame of your gun, note the flare near where the rear of the cylinder rests, this is a classic SW look. On the Colts that area of the frame is flat, and cylinder release  face is flat.

Also although this pic doesnt show the SW with the taper coming off the BBL, Early Smiths had it. This is just the best side by side SW/Colt pic i could find to explain what i wrote above.   Smith is on the Left, Colt is on the Right
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Yours
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Also, note on the SW pic i posted, on the BBL you can see where the cylinder rod rests into a piece off the barrel, Note on your gun you dont have that small piece off the BBL, but you have the groove there from where it was located Directly under where you sight is now, on the underside part of the BBL.....


It is

This one is more than likely a Lend Lease SW that was cut down. BNP is most definately Brit Proof Marks. Hundreds of thousands of SWs were sent over seas for both World Wars. Looks like this one may have suffered the same fate as the Enfields you remarked about. Its evident in the removal of the cylinder rod catch removed from the BBL of his gun

after doing a lot more digging, it has a slight resemblance to the predecessor of the model 10, aka victory model. if it is a victory model the serial number Jay posted should start with a "v" instead of a "y". what throws s&w theory off though is the distinct differences in the shape of that bulging piece on the left side of the frame between the cylinder and the cylinder release (wtf is that called?). s&w dbl action 38s had a small indentation in that piece so you could see clearly between the back of the cylinder and the frame. another odd thing is that barrel looks like a 2.5 inch where the standard barrels on the early model 10 and victoriy was 2, 4, 5 and 6 inch.

interesting info on the victory model...
http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/victory_model_smith_and_wesson.htm

found some pics a guy posted on a bonafide s&w victory model with 2 inch barrel...
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-handguns/134922-s-w-victory-model.html


is it possible that's a s&w knock off?

[Vudu15]

Looks just like a smaller version of my 1917 S&W

[mbailey]

after doing a lot more digging, it has a slight resemblance to the predecessor of the model 10, aka victory model. if it is a victory model the serial number Jay posted should start with a "v" instead of a "y". what throws s&w theory off though is the distinct differences in the shape of that bulging piece on the left side of the frame between the cylinder and the cylinder release (wtf is that called?). s&w dbl action 38s had a small indentation in that piece so you could see clearly between the back of the cylinder and the frame. another odd thing is that barrel looks like a 2.5 inch where the standard barrels on the early model 10 and victoriy was 2, 4, 5 and 6 inch.

That bulge is there, I think since were looking at Jays pic (side view dead on) its just a bit hard to see.......I dont think its a knock off, i think it started its life as a gun with a larger BBL, and was cut down.It would explain the notch on the lower part of the bbl where the cylinder Rod catch was located and removed. (lol Frankengun) That and the SNs match up to the SW book i have. I would love to see some more pics, like a face on pic, cylinder pic (side shot) and a pic of the metal strap under the grip frame.

Great post on the Victory model, Love reading about the classic old wheel guns......My dad had a Victory model in .38 (1943ish) that i learned to shoot with as a kid, brought back some great memorys   thanks for posting that.


Who knows, we could both be right........I love looking up and hunting up info on old guns. When I worked at the gunshop, half of the fun of it was researching pieces of collections that we would purchase or put on consignment.

Jay with your permission, id like to send your picture to a friend of mine that is a Mod on a SW forum....but dont want to do it without your permission.

[gyrene81]

That bulge is there, I think since were looking at Jays pic (side view dead on) its just a bit hard to see.......I dont think its a knock off, i think it started its life as a gun with a larger BBL, and was cut down.It would explain the notch on the lower part of the bbl where the cylinder Rod catch was located and removed. (lol Frankengun) That and the SNs match up to the SW book i have. I would love to see some more pics, like a face on pic, cylinder pic (side shot) and a pic of the metal strap under the grip frame.

ya more pics would definitely help identifying that gun, especially the right side. some non-blurry close ups would be nice too, lol. if that thing is a snubby victory model, the missing rod catch would be "normal".

Great post on the Victory model, Love reading about the classic old wheel guns......My dad had a Victory model in .38 (1943ish) that i learned to shoot with as a kid, brought back some great memorys  thanks for posting that.


Who knows, we could both be right........I love looking up and hunting up info on old guns. When I worked at the gunshop, half of the fun of it was researching pieces of collections that we would purchase or put on consignment.

i'm the same way, love learning everything i can about guns. really wish i could remember every bit of the info i picked up since i was a kid. seems like the older i get the faster the information disappears...