Innovation - not jobs??

[Ardy123]

Corrected.  

I am sooooo sorry Ardy, I could not resist!!!  

As for human development, we should be optimistic right?  We have to make way for progress and make the best of it.  Change is part of life.  

"To die or  not to die" -Shakesehäschen


I am optimistic too....
Think of it as a mirror....  reflecting ones general attitude.

[pembquist]

The video doesn't really give a justification for a utopian vs dystopian future though the lecturer says he believes in the former. I think it is impossible to say whether the future will be better or worse than the present. There are so many assumptions when it comes to that judgement that I don't think it is possible to make it honestly.

Retrospectively I feel like my life is better for such things as running hot water and literacy but I don't know how my life today would appear to someone in my circumstance from 200 years ago. I know that a persistency bias might tend to make us believe that since technological advancement has benefitted us in the past it will continue to do so in the future. I don't believe this is a valid assumption whether or not the outcome is in line with it. The thing I feel certain of is that this second industrial revolution will cause dislocation and will make obsolete many of the systems and institutions that we rely on today to secure a modicum of happiness. New ones will no doubt develop but we may well have no more fulfilling lives than we do today.

In a utopia there would be universal freedom from drudgery and the more extravagant kinds of pain. Technology holds great promise in the abstract for the elimination of these however the quirks of a society,(the desire for dominance for example,) may severely impede the kind of progress we desire.

It seems to me that while the industrial revolution has given many of us lives of luxury you can also draw a line straight to the bloody revolutions, famines and wars of the twentieth century from that development. How you balance the scales depends upon where you fit in in the whole swirling thing.

[zack1234]

I nearly fell of my chair when that guy was complaining he could only get foriegn engineers, and he blamed his own kinfolk

My father has worked in the oil industry for 40 years and informed me that Korean,Indian enginneers who have been trained by the "State" are now engineers.

In the UK their is a skills shortage "Not because the indigenous population is stupid and lazy" but because the traditional industries and Educational facilities have withered due to emphasis on the City of London.

The influx of foriegn engineers is a testament to the betrayl of the British people.

It was all planned 40 years ago "Its not a conspiracy" its actually written down in EU policy.

I repeat for the Americans "It not a conspiracy"

1. Britain - Finance and the city of london.
2. France - Agriculture and state funded car manufacturing.
3. Germany - Industrial heavy industry and manufacturing.
4. Spain - Tourism

Its cheaper to get a engineer who has been trained and educated by another country.

The outlook is poor for Western society when businessmen,Governments and Elites wave thier flags and say how patriotic they are whilst betraying thier own kinfolk.

This forum is fantastic for sociologist or phychiatrist, human self denile and arrogance all in the black and white

[RTHolmes]

... traditional industries and Educational facilities have withered due to emphasis on the City of London.

utter tosh - tax revenues from the City have been propping up traditional industries for half a century, and of course funding schools and universities. it is also a massive exporter, reducing our trade deficit. without it we couldnt do much more than a bit of farming and some tourism.

british workers have indeed been betrayed since the war, by governments imposing 95% income tax rates driving skilled workers and entrepreneurs overseas, by power-crazed union leaders like Jimmy Reid destroying traditional industries, by a complete absence of immigration policy allowing a flood of semi- and unskilled workers to overwhelm an economy that needs skilled workers, and by a welfare system that disincentivises education, training and work.

[Ardy123]

I nearly fell of my chair when that guy was complaining he could only get foriegn engineers, and he blamed his own kinfolk

I did the same in this forum... one must know that in American culture there is an element of anti-intellectualism that I feel holds us down from being what many of us could be.

The outlook is poor for Western society when businessmen,Governments and Elites wave thier flags and say how patriotic they are whilst betraying thier own kinfolk.

...and a dictionary failed you... its 'their' 
While I agree that many people use & have used patriotism as a guise to manipulate people to for their own agenda ultimately betraying them, I am not nearly as pessimistic about the future as you. That said, rabid nationalism is a politician's wet dream...

This forum is fantastic for sociologist or phychiatrist, human self denile and arrogance all in the black and white

very true

[zack1234]

RT how dare you used expletives like "utter tosh" to me I demand an apology

I agree investment comes from the City,I was referring to the credit based boom we have seen over the last 30 years which has took president over traditional industries.

And the Subsequent dumbing down and the stupid expectations of the working classes. (University places for all nonsense).

I also agree with your comments on welfare and Unions (Which can be a good thing, they have Unions in Germany that liaise with the government, and welfare is essential for the few who struggle)

The stupidity of the British people is self evident,high expectations(X Factor), greed(national lottery,scratch cards).

Explain the term RT "Good credit rating" and "Your investment my go up or down".

This is my view "Good credit rating" = "Your a stupid fool who is in debt and has no savings"
                       "Your Investments my go up or down" "The banks are telling they are no very good with money and might loose it for you"

I put a substantial amount of money in a new bank account after selling property and they said my "Credit rating was poor because I was not a clown who bought on the "Never Never".

The Lottery is a glaring example of the stupidity of the common man in Britain "I might win and gain those things I want Flippen clowns "Its pays for charities" Flippen clowns (Its a stealth tax).

"Hayek" as R105 stated and his refusal to reply "Subprime" and "Lehmans" "Libor" "UBS warburg"

I used to process that Swiss banks data

I demand satisfaction RT I challenge you to a dual "You Capitalist oppressor of the Proletariat"    

Oh i apologize Ardy "Their" - I was on the lav at the time at a critical moment

         

[RngFndr]

Search "Global Future 2045 International Congress" This is being sponsored by the UN..
Transhumanism is the next goal, after the creation of the "Global Governance"..
Robots taking your jobs, ain't the 1/2 of it..

Check out the vid, "2045 a new era for humanity" "Neohumanity"??????  

There are some people in the world, who have gathered WAY too much power..
These people will make the Nazi/Communists look like a bunch of twinkies..

Gettin time to let the "air" out of them.. Otherwise, those who are left after
Deindustrialization, and the great cull, will no longer even be human at all..

Homo Sapien Superior vs Homo Sapien Mundane, guess who wins???

edit: This is ALL about control, and not just control of society..

They want CONTROL OF HUMAN EVOLUTION ITSELF... 

[Ardy123]

Oh i apologize Ardy "Their" - I was on the lav at the time at a critical moment

no need, I was just joking with you about spelling... I frequently make mistakes typing on the bbs too.

[GScholz]

 

[coombz]

[Ardy123]

I nearly fell of my chair when that guy was complaining he could only get foriegn engineers, and he blamed his own kinfolk

Why didn't you just call me out by name? I even set you up to for it

I did the same in this forum...

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hey now... I did have a 'smiley face' next to my initial 'grammar nazi' comment.

[zack1234]

 
 

Pies cannot be replaced

[R 105]

brilliant

They really do brainwash you in the states eh?

btw you dont have anywhere near the highest standard of living, no US cities are even in the top 10

I live in Florida 2 miles from the beach. My house, car, truck and Harley are all paid for and I don't owe a dime to anyone. I am twice retired once from the Army and once from a privet company. I will be 60 at the end of Oct. I would say that is a pretty good standard of living. Even the sick lame lazy and crazy of this country live better than any place in the world. They have cars big screen TV's A/C free housing Medicaid and government issued cell phones in addition to food stamps. All at the expense of the American workers. Put this crowd in 90% of any other country in the world and these people we call our poor would be considered rich.

[zack1234]

We have lots of fat people in the UK who are bone idle

[SEraider]

Put this crowd in 90% of any other country in the world and these people we call our poor would be considered rich.

Zimbabwe??