Best Bomber Killer

[Krusty]

Turbocharger, actually. And it starts dying off about 29-30k. By the time you're 30-33k you're losing power. Still, the jugs are some of the better-handling planes at that alt.

As for folks saying the 110G stock has less firepower than a 190A8, this is just wrong. All is more than made up for by ungodly amounts of 30mm. Even if it ONLY had the 30mm, nothing else, it would still have several times the firepower of the A8 with 30mms. It will be able to sustain fire longer, kill more, do more damage with any snapshot. Think of it as a slower 262 or 163. The K4 has the same gun, the A8 has the same gun, but their firing time is very short at 65 and 55 rds per gun. Ta152 is better at 90 rpg. The 110 takes the cake amongs all props for mk108 ammo loadout.

The problem is the performance. It's often too slow and has too low a ceiling to get up to the stubborn bombers. If you get anything close to your alt or even below, it is the best. You also can limp home on 1 engine if severely wounded.

The 410 might edge that out if it could mount the historically accurate MG151 gunpod externally. If it had 8x 20mms, it would be a contender. With the BK5 it definitely outshoots the 30mm, but aiming and position are difficult and it's only slightly better than the WGRs at the sacrifice of better gun packs. You run out with the BK5 and you're stuck with 2x20mm. Boucou ammo for them, but only 2 of them. Not so good for fleeting snapshots.

Just some additional food for though.

[68EZPkns]

Gimmie a Temptest all day long.Long as they are 25k or less that is.Above that id take a Spite14 or Ta152.

[Denniss]

The Bf 110 G-2 with standard armament had not a single MK 108 - 4x MG 17 + 2x MG 151. What you are talking about is the Bf 110 G-2/R3.

[GScholz]

Turbo-supercharger actually.

[Krusty]

The Bf 110 G-2 with standard armament had not a single MK 108 - 4x MG 17 + 2x MG 151. What you are talking about is the Bf 110 G-2/R3.

It was standard after a certain point. Same as a G-14 came standard with either a 20mm or a 30mm hub gun. The different designations don't change that fact. Yes, we do have the late-era 110G with the 30mms, and that doesn't change the fact that the STANDARD aces high loadout comes with 2x 30mm and a butt-load of ammo for both.

[Krusty]

Gimmie a Temptest all day long.Long as they are 25k or less that is.Above that id take a Spite14 or Ta152.

Myself and several squaddies have found tempests to be worst bomber hunters ever. The wide stance of the hipanos makes them hard to get a single killing snapshot blow, meanwhile you are instantly damaged on your first ping from the bomber gunners. Often oil, engine, or pilot are knocked out immediately. I have experienced it many times and a couple others have too. One of my squaddies just recently was irate about it, having been in a tempest and decided to attack some bombers. He swore off ever using it for that purpose again.

Overall on paper it looks good, but in practice it's not nearly as effective as other planes. Not to mention the freakishly short range and the need to WEP to catch bombers most times. It can't keep up the chase for very long.

[Lusche]

Up to about 23k, the Tempest is a good, albeit expensive buff killer. Not on paper, but in practice. The only real weakness is the radiator, but that trait it does share with a couple of other planes, most notably the Ta 152H.
It's very fast (yes, even without WEP), the cannons are hard hitting and rapid firing, and it has a nice ammo loadout.
If you can't catch and kill bombers in the Tempest, somethign is really wrong with your tactics.


Addendum:

Just looked it up: I have a better K/D rate in the Tempest against formation bombers than in any other plane. And with more than 1800 kills, it's not a result of only a handfull of sorties...

[GScholz]

It was standard after a certain point. Same as a G-14 came standard with either a 20mm or a 30mm hub gun. The different designations don't change that fact. Yes, we do have the late-era 110G with the 30mms, and that doesn't change the fact that the STANDARD aces high loadout comes with 2x 30mm and a butt-load of ammo for both.

It was never factory produced. Only field conversion kit. Factory armament on the G-2 was always 2x MG151 and 4x MG17, and it was the preferred armament for Jabo since it was more useful for strafing. There was also a 4x MG151 kit...

[BaldEagl]

Just a whine about not being able to kill me in the LW. Poor baby!

I've never even fought you in MA.  What a loser as always.  

Ready to DA little girl?

now come on...you knew the answer to that way before you typed it


ill DA when ever you want to get some intense fightin in

I haven't been playing much and when I have I just haven't been interested but I'll look for you when I'm on.  Maybe try a few dissimilar match-ups.

[ink]

I've never even fought you in MA.  What a loser as always.  

Ready to DA little girl?

I haven't been playing much and when I have I just haven't been interested but I'll look for you when I'm on.  Maybe try a few dissimilar match-ups.

sounds good

[68EZPkns]

Myself and several squaddies have found tempests to be worst bomber hunters ever. The wide stance of the hipanos makes them hard to get a single killing snapshot blow, meanwhile you are instantly damaged on your first ping from the bomber gunners. Often oil, engine, or pilot are knocked out immediately. I have experienced it many times and a couple others have too. One of my squaddies just recently was irate about it, having been in a tempest and decided to attack some bombers. He swore off ever using it for that purpose again.

Overall on paper it looks good, but in practice it's not nearly as effective as other planes. Not to mention the freakishly short range and the need to WEP to catch bombers most times. It can't keep up the chase for very long.

Are we playing the same game?You know you can carry drop tanks,gives it about 45min of flight time at full throttle.

[mthrockmor]

Hey Snailman, great numbers though it would be interesting to see who the sticks are flying those birds. As we all know the 262 is not an easy bird to fight and it has a much higher k/d then the 163. This tells me many nobs up in the 163 and like Pickett's Charge make a good go at it, though the 262s reflect pilot skill.

I would suggest two birds for buff killing.

Below 20k the Fw-190A5. Above 20k the Ta-152.

The logic on the A5 is simple. I do not see any real difference between the A5 and the A8 but the 30mm guns. The problem with those guns is the typical tater problems. The A5 with the 4x20mm has all the firepower needed to make great high angle of attacks on buffs and kill one per pass. It climbs rather well, typical excellent 190 control at high speeds and with the radial has little worry for the dreaded radiator shot. Bonus coverage, since it is an early war plane it is one heck of a 'perk farmer.' I suppose another bonus is the realism of hitting a flight of B-24s, B-17s or Lancs with an Axis bird. I rarely see B-29s so not much to speak of with that.

I do agree with a couple posts. An attack flown properly is enough to kill any buff with almost any bird. Now getting a Brew to 25k for a buff hunting mission is a real trick.

Boo

[Krusty]

I do not see any real difference between the A5 and the A8 but the 30mm guns. The problem with those guns is the typical tater problems. The A5 with the 4x20mm has all the firepower needed to make great high angle of attacks on buffs and kill one per pass.

Well, I always enjoy the 190A5 and will definitely sing its praises when appropriate. I have also taken out 3x B-24s with a yak9u's single 20mm cannon, so I understand that you don't need the heaviest firepower to do it. However, those 30mms on the A8 make all the difference. They're not a problem at all. They're a massive advantage. Even with 4x20mm, you can pound some bombers mercilessly with 20mms and not have them go down. So, yes.... 190A5s are perfectly capable of killing bombers, but compared to an A8 they are relative popguns

 


So, I would conclude that while it is fun to hunt in an A5, it shouldn't be considered one of "the best" to hunt with.

[Tank-Ace]

Yeah, I agree with Krusty.


And there is no "tater problem". Ever. Its not a problem, but the characteristics of a tool to be used by the pilot.

The 30mm offers hitting power (almost guaratneed one-hit-kills on fighters) at the expense of ease of shooting, and ammunition load.

The 20mm offers ease of shooting, and are inbetween .50's and the 30mm for ease of use, and ammo.

The .50's offer ease of use, and large ammunition loads, at the cost of hitting power (of each individual round).

[mthrockmor]

Shooting taters is something few have mastered. For most it remains 'spray and pray,' agree with firepower of it. For a guppe of experten the 30mm is ideal. For most it is not, though the question was not which buff killer is suitable for most sticks.

Boo