109 with 2 DTs

[Debrody]

Anyone has documentation or pictures about this?

Found a photo in a book and got curious how it was working. It shows 2 big tanks carryed under the wings of a late Gustav, Italy, 1944. Also, the book says it was pretty rare. Would it be possible to model this? Would it see any usage in AH?

[Tank-Ace]

Sounds like a G-6/R3.

Recon fighter with 2 300l tanks under the wings.

[Debrody]

Allright, so it might have been a recon loadout...
Thanks.

[beau32]

Beneath the wings the aircraft carries two 300L auxiliary fuel tanks for increased range.Note the thin oil leak conductor behind the oil cooler under the engine, wich was tipical of camera equiped "Gustavs".





A few photos, hope this helps.

[Krusty]

I seem to recall they also may have had a version with 2 wing DTs and a massive centerline bomb. So big it had to have a large wheel on a strut to keep the bomb off the ground during takeoff. The strut was ejected and parachuted to earth safely. The plane had to drop the bomb to land safely, using its normal tail wheel.

I know the bomb/wheel loadout is right, but here's where I'm not: I think it had the 2 DTs under wings as well.

[jag88]

Fisk.199



Prototype only.

[Tank-Ace]

Not sure, but that appears to be a 109 with MASSIVE gondolas.

Notice the little gun barrels poking out of the drop-tank sized pods.

[Krusty]

No, those are long range DTs. They had a pitot tube on front of each. That's not a gun barrel.

[Debrody]

Im wondering what was the range and the speed with 3 large DTs...

[pangea]

Somewhat related question.....

If you take a centerline tank in a 109 is there a bracket/mounting point left behind after you drop the tank that induces drag (which would not be there if you took off clean)?  If so, how much of an effect on speed does the mounting bracket have?

Thanks....

[MiloMorai]

Somewhat related question.....

If you take a centerline tank in a 109 is there a bracket/mounting point left behind after you drop the tank that induces drag (which would not be there if you took off clean)?  If so, how much of an effect on speed does the mounting bracket have?

Thanks....

To give you an idea of what the speed loss was, the ETC 501 on the Fw190A was 7.5mph.

The 2 SC 500 with 300l dt resulted in a speed loss of 55.9mph on the Fw190G-3.

[Spikes]

Not sure, but that appears to be a 109 with MASSIVE gondolas.

Notice the little gun barrels poking out of the drop-tank sized pods.

I lol'd.

[Tank-Ace]

Somewhat related question.....

If you take a centerline tank in a 109 is there a bracket/mounting point left behind after you drop the tank that induces drag (which would not be there if you took off clean)?  If so, how much of an effect on speed does the mounting bracket have?

Thanks....

Yes, every aircraft that carries ordnance leaves a mounting or hardpoint behind. Some of the hardpoints for bombs and DT's, however, are present on the aircraft even when ordnance is not carried (F4U, P-47, and P-38, IIRC), and so once ordnance is dropped, you have the same performance as if you hadn't taken anything.

Note that this is not the same case for rockets, which always increase drag, even once fired.

Speed penalty depends on the aircraft (190's, for example, seem to have less penalty from a hardpoint than the 109)

[GScholz]

Only the centerline hardpoint on the 109 uses a rack to mount ordinance. The wing-tanks are of the wireframe type (similar to those on the 110) which drops with the tank, or at worst leaves behind some short wire-stubble, which shouldn't noticeable affect speed.

[GScholz]

Fisk.199

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Prototype only.

It was produced in small numbers as the 109G-2/R1. Some were used in Norway and Finland to attack convoys in the arctic ocean. One is being restored here in Bodø right now.

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/sagmyra.html