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Offline caldera

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Warthog HOTAS
« on: October 11, 2012, 04:13:09 PM »
Just got it an hour ago but haven't plugged it in.  The reason for not plugging it in yet is some vague memory of the importance of updating the firmware and also setting the switches a certain way before doing so. 

Any tips from owners?
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 04:55:03 PM »
I wouldn't worry about plugging it in and using it. You can read about various issues at www.warthogworld.com .

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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 05:13:45 PM »
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 06:49:36 PM »
I wouldn't worry about plugging it in and using it. You can read about various issues at www.warthogworld.com .

Tried to register an account and got a message that they don't take kindly to spammers.  :rolleyes:

Anyway, I did get the drivers and uploaded the firmware successfully.  Now I'm trying to set up a profile in TARGET and am stuck at the first thing.  :lol



What are you supposed to put down in the "Associate Configuration" box? 
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 07:49:44 PM »
I don't use the target software for AH at all. I just set them up in AH. I do use target when I'm flying in msfs, and it's suppose to auto load the profile for the A-10 sim.
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 08:35:48 PM »


What are you supposed to put down in the "Associate Configuration" box? 

The "Associate Configuration" box is for the profile name you want to run with Aces High.
You don't need to use TARGET, just program in Aces High. I only start TARGET to turn the lights down then I exit the program.


I don't use the target software for AH at all. I just set them up in AH. I do use target when I'm flying in msfs, and it's suppose to auto load the profile for the A-10 sim.

You don't need Target for DCS:A-10C. The sim has the Warthog configuration by default, you just want to check the auto configuration of any other devices you have plugged in because A-10 tends to assign every button 1 to fire guns etc.

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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2012, 09:15:16 PM »
The only reason to use it (at the moment) is that I want a macro that will end flight.  In-game, you have to use the keyboard to .ef.  Sometimes you need a quicker way to escape a vulcher.   :bolt:


Where do I put the Association Configuration file anyway?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 09:18:08 PM by caldera »
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 10:02:32 AM »
Target is a PITA in a big way. I quit trying to use it for anything other than DCS sims and then I rely on others to make the profiles and I only tweak what I need to in there. Otherwise TARGET is a wasted program in my eyes.
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 12:30:50 AM »
Will my life be complete if i get this joystick :old:
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 12:40:44 AM »
no!

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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 07:22:54 AM »
+1
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 05:37:47 PM »
Will my life be complete if i get this joystick :old:

It will indeed.....
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2012, 02:45:35 AM »
 This is a question for those who have had both the Warthog and the CH products. Is the Warthog better or worse than Fighterstick, pro throttle/pedals?

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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2012, 04:17:26 AM »
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This is a question for those who have had both the Warthog and the CH products. Is the Warthog better or worse than Fighterstick, pro throttle/pedals?

I'm one of "those" I guess.  It's a very tough call - like choosing between a Shelby Mustang or ZL1 Camaro, Ginger or Mary-Anne, Coke or Pepsi.  This is in terms of performance.

In terms of price....
A Warthog will set you back 450$, I've seen a few guys who claim they got theirs for 400$, and they are really lucky ducks, as amazon and everywhere else right now sells them for 450$ at a minimum.  I paid 500$ when it first came out.   A CH setup can be had for as little as 200$ if you search around, and even average joe retailer they cost only slightly higher.  As Semp would say, that's 200$ you can spend on beer.

The quality of both sets is excellent.  I will say that the Warthog has a better feel in terms of the materials, and it certainly weighs a bit more and feels more "solid".  There is also the point that the Warthog uses Hall sensors, not pots, and these won't wear like the pots in the CH stuff will.  That said, I've had many CH sticks since the 90's, and I've never had to replace a part in any of them (knock wood).  

I will say that for very precise shooting/aiming, I prefer the CH Fighter/Combat stick over the TM stick.  It just seems a little more sensitive to very small inputs, and makes these small adjustments to fine aim seem easier than with the Warthog.  As for the throttle, the Warthog has split throttle capability, the CH Pro Throttle doesn't.  The CH does have 3 4-way hats and 1 8-way hat, where the TM only has 1 4-way and 1 8-way hat.  The CH throttle has 3 push down buttons, and one of those goofy mousey stick things, which I've never used for anything like most people I'd wager.    The TM throttle has 3 push buttons as well, but also has  eight 3-way switches AND five 2-way switches.  A lot of stuff to click and go pew pew pew with.

Also, the programming software for TM has a nightmare-ish rep, and I've never messed with it much myself, and choose to set controls up in game.  I do this with the CH setup as well, and cannot comment either way on their software, as I've never even installed it.


It's hard to give advice on what way to go.  If anyone is even considering the Warthog, they likely will have the 450$ kicking around to purchase it, so making a decision based just on the price difference seems pointless, at least to me.  If you can get a chance to try one out, and I mean as in fly in Aces High or whatever SIM you plan on using most with it for 15 minutes or so, and see how precise it feels as far as aiming and whatnot for you, that's what I WOULD recommend doing, and then doing the same with the FighterStick.  My personal choice would be the CH setup, if I was only going to fly Aces High, or at least fly it 90% of my time on the PC.  If I was going to fly a lot of other stuff, like DCS A10, the Falcon series, you get the idea, I would hands down go with the TM.  And of course, if money is an issue, than the decision is made easily with that in mind IMO.

As for pedals, that is an entirely different subject, as TM doesn't make any I don't think.  The typical argument is Saitek vs. CH for the peds, as the SIMPEDS are really expensive and no longer manufactured.  There is a recent thread about this, I have a set of CH pedals and a set of the Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, and it's an easy choice for me, as the saitek's are larger, better made, have a lot more metal construction materials as opposed to plastic in the CH, and have a more comfortable wider distance betwix'd the feet.
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Re: Warthog HOTAS
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 11:00:59 AM »
Been in off-line practice this weekend, in preparation for my imminent return to the on-line AH community, and have to say, the Warthog is awesome :banana: .  In combination with the Seitek Pro-flight pedals, it's the best set up I've ever had.  The response from the hall-effect sensors is incredibly smooth and precise.  I went with the Seitek Pro pedals instead of the CH because of the heavy duty construction (the pedals, heal skid pads and toe brakes are all metal) and the width, which seemed more natural and realistic.

I've still got a third of the buttons and switches I've yet to assign a function to...there's so friggin' many of them!  I'm trying to decide if I want to switch out the A10 stick with the only F-16 stick from my old Cougar; they're interchangeable. The F-16 stick top seems just a more ergonomically suited to my hand.  Anyway, if you have the money, the Warthog is worth it.
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