My list of planes to be added

[tuton25]

why can't I edit it again???

[SmokinLoon]

why can't I edit it again???

Because your edit-fu is weak, young padawan.  Go now, and be at peace.   

[Tank-Ace]

Don't forget the IAR 80. Main romanian fighter up untill 1944. The IAR 80M would be about the equal of the spit 8 in terms of speed and firepower, IIRC.

[Ack-Ack]

Don't forget the IAR 80. Main romanian fighter up untill 1944. The IAR 80M would be about the equal of the spit 8 in terms of speed and firepower, IIRC.

No it wouldn't have.  The proposed IAR 80M was nothing more than an upgunned versions of the IAR 80A/80B and IAR 81A/81B models.  It wouldn't even come close to the performance of a Spitfire VIII in terms of speed.  Also, the IAR 80 was such a minor player in the war that it's contributions is merely a footnote.

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[Tank-Ace]

And the D520's wasn't? It had potential, yes, but really did almost nothing.

[Ack-Ack]

And the D520's wasn't? It had potential, yes, but really did almost nothing.

While the contributions to the overall war effort of the D.520 was minimul, it's service record with the French and Vichy French was better than the IAR 80/81's record on the Eastern Front and in the defense of Romania.

ack-ack

[Plawranc]

HE-111

[Tank-Ace]

While the contributions to the overall war effort of the D.520 was minimul, it's service record with the French and Vichy French was better than the IAR 80/81's record on the Eastern Front and in the defense of Romania.

ack-ack

Not saying the D.520 shouldn't be added, but only that if its high enough on the list to be a secondary addition, then the IAR is as well.

Personally, I feel the fact that it was Romania's primary fighter till June of '44 counts for more in the History section. After looking at the 80M, it looks like it would be decent in MW, depending on how HTC were to impement it.

[Ack-Ack]

Not saying the D.520 shouldn't be added, but only that if its high enough on the list to be a secondary addition, then the IAR is as well.

Personally, I feel the fact that it was Romania's primary fighter till June of '44 counts for more in the History section. After looking at the 80M, it looks like it would be decent in MW, depending on how HTC were to impement it.

The only reason why the IAR 80 was the main fighter for the Romanians was it was the only fighter they had until they started to convert en masse to the Bf 109G-6.  During the "American Campaign" in four months of action, the Romanians lost more IAR 80s and pilots than they did in 2 years of combat against the Soviets.

As for the IAR 80M there are no numbers on how many IAR 80A/80B and IAR 81A/81Bs were converted to the IAR 80M, so if the IAR 80/81 was ever introduced into AH, it would probably be the IAR 80A/80B or the fighter bomber version IAR 81A/81B.

Though I am curious as to why you would ever think the IAR 80 was comparable to the far more superior Spitfire VIII. 

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[Karnak]

Looking at the numbers I have it seems that the IAR-80 and variants are roughly parable, depending on version, with the A6M2, Hurricane Mk I, Bf109E-4 and Spitfire Mk Ia.

[Motherland]

TOP Priority:
He111, Ki-43 Hayabusa 'Oscar', Tu-2, D4Y Susei 'Judy'.

Secondary:
Beaufighter, D520, MiG3, Wellington, Pe-2, J2M Raiden 'Jack', Ki-44-II Shoki 'Tojo', Ju188A-1, SM.79-II, B6N2 Tenzan 'Jill', remodel of AH1 units

Tertiary:
G.55, SB2C Helldiver, Seafire L.Mk III, Firefly Mk I, Bf109G-6/AS, Ki-102 'Randy', H8K2 'Emily', B7A2 Ryusei 'Grace', Ju52

Quadrary:
Meteor Mk III, He162A, F7F, F8F

Out of all the RA fighters, the G.55? And only the G.55?

[Tank-Ace]

The only reason why the IAR 80 was the main fighter for the Romanians was it was the only fighter they had until they started to convert en masse to the Bf 109G-6.  During the "American Campaign" in four months of action, the Romanians lost more IAR 80s and pilots than they did in 2 years of combat against the Soviets.

As for the IAR 80M there are no numbers on how many IAR 80A/80B and IAR 81A/81Bs were converted to the IAR 80M, so if the IAR 80/81 was ever introduced into AH, it would probably be the IAR 80A/80B or the fighter bomber version IAR 81A/81B.

Though I am curious as to why you would ever think the IAR 80 was comparable to the far more superior Spitfire VIII.

I don't know why, but I was remembering the 80 being up in the 330mph range at low alt. My mistake. But it would be reasonable in MW. I mean the biggest issue with the 109E is that its a bit light on ammunition, and the balistics are poorer. And the A6M is just about as good as its older brothers. And the IIC can do well in certian situations, and the biggest improvment was its firepower.

As for the 80M, IIRC, most 81C's had their bomb-rack stripped, and were sent off to fighter units. Since they are otherwise identicle, it would be pretty much impossible to differentiate 81C's from 80M's on a purely visual basis.

You'd have to identify the squadron, establish a time-frame, and track down what types were sent where and when.

[Karnak]

Out of all the RA fighters, the G.55? And only the G.55?

I suppose I ought to have put the C.200 and CR.42 on there somewhere.

Honestly, add the C.200 to the existing C.202 and C.205 and you have reasonably complete Italian fighter coverage.

[Butcher]

IAR 80 was an interesting bird I never got to research completely, but from what I do know - Its a typical early war bird. Lacks any heavy guns (6x light machine guns) range was limited, speed was decent at 330 at alt.
When you look at the D.520 - it was simply a state of the art design, 345mph at alt, with pair of hispano guns, fact is D.520 fought in 1940, while IAR 80a was end of 1941+.
D.520 had to fight the best the Germans had to offer the 109E, while the IAR 80a went against whatever flying junk the russians could put up (and pilot skill wise).

It might of been in service till 1944 for good reason, it had absolutely no competition in equal terms... Frankly even if the IAR 80c gets added, it was no way near in performance to any american plane flying over romania in 44, other then turn radius.

I only cast my vote on the D.520, because I have more solid information on it. Honestly I joke much about the french, but this bird was actually pretty wonderful even if it was a footnote just as the IAR 80 was.

[Butcher]

I suppose I ought to have put the C.200 and CR.42 on there somewhere.

Honestly, add the C.200 to the existing C.202 and C.205 and you have reasonably complete Italian fighter coverage.

C.200 and G.55 would complete the list, people cast out the G.55 but it scored well over 100 victories against the allies. Think if it as an upgrade to the C205.