I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...

[Krusty]

that is your default position for anything Japanese.

This is a bald-faced LIE that a select few (that I can count on 3 fingers) continually make about me, and it is absolutely false. It is intentionally false, and intentionally perpetuated simply to insult me and dismiss anything I say. It's worse than a straw man argument. It's the sign you HAVE NO argument, when you have to lie to distract from that fact.

[Ack-Ack]

In the context of early war planesets, the A6M2 was in a minority as compared to the likes of the Ki-43, and other planes. The Flying Tigers, for example, as well as most Western movies, called everything they shot at a zero, or a zeke, when in fact they just about never ran into them. That was my point. There were far more planes in use than "just" the A6M2 which we have.

But it wasn't "in the minority" compared to the likes of other planes like the Ki-43.  Allied fighters were just as likely to run into a Zeke as they were an Oscar flying in the SWPA.

The Flying Tigers is actually not a good example to support your claim as they fought in areas where the IJN was not active, primarily in the interior of mainland China, away from the coastal areas.  If the AVG was more active in the coastal areas, they would have most likely run into some of the A6M2 land based squadrons in Formosa or any of the coastal bases up and down the Chinese coast.

ack-ack

[coombz]

I can't help but smile when I consider that 25000 of Krusty's 25235 posts are him being wrong about something

[palef]

Nate! It's Krusty's fault. I have flight of ideas now.

[Butcher]

In the context of early war planesets, the A6M2 was in a minority as compared to the likes of the Ki-43, and other planes.

A6m2 served far more a minor part in early World War 2, more like an equal player. Prime example is the Tainan Air Group who flew out of Formosa to escort betties to Clark AF and Manila. Why did the Squad spawn so many aces? They could fly into combat where the Ki-27's couldn't make the trip.
There were 3 squadrons of A6m2s that flew out of Takao in support of the philippine invasion, Only 1 Ki-43 and Ki-27 squadron were stationed in Formosa.

As for Singapore, Kompong trach has 2 squadrons of Ki-43s and 1 squadron of Ki-27s.
Soc Trang had One squadron of A6m2s, as well as a detachment of A5m4 claude's that were not upgraded to A6m2s yet.. These were the Zeros used to escort (if necessary) the Betties and Nells out of Saigon to attack the British Fleet at Singapore.

Two full squadron of Ki-27's were stationed at Singora that flew Cap over the japanese landing force.

How could you possibly say the A6m2 played a minor part in the opening battles of ww2 when they served more then 50% of the capacity? Far as I see the opening battles, only the Ki-27 and A6m2 played a roll, Ki-27 on other hand were slowly being phased out but not entirely at the opening few months of WW2.
It was the Japanese navy's decision to use these a6m2 squadrons to gain experience in the opening months while carriers were being built, so they can later be transferred to ships with experience, however as the Tainan Air Group shows - no carrier was available and the Japanese needed combat pilots at Lae/Rubaul.

Ki-27s were pretty much stuck at Singora due to lack of range, they could keep CAP over some of Malaya like George Town and Medan for extreme distances, they were not useable for the Philippines invasion, so they were put at malaya.

If were going to say one of the planes is a minority, it would be the Ki-43 which served in a VERY limited capacity in the opening shots of WW2 in compared to the Ki-27 and A6m2.

Now don't get me wrong, those Ki-27s were being replaced at record pace by Ki-43s, however they still served in a very limited capacity due to numbers.

[Krusty]

But it wasn't "in the minority" compared to the likes of other planes like the Ki-43.  Allied fighters were just as likely to run into a Zeke as they were an Oscar flying in the SWPA.

I don't agree there. In fact I say the exact opposite. The very first A6M2 Model 11 Zeros were rushed to China because that was where the combat was taking place.

The Model 21 A6M2 only began production in November 1940. In a span of about 1 year Mitsubishi made 740 of them and Nakajima about 800 [wiki numbers]. Most of those would be in use on the carriers. The army did have a good number, yes, but maybe not as much as you think. Before this date the Model 11 only deployed 30 to the 12th Kokutai in China and 9 to the 14th Kokutai in southwest China. In all of China you'd find 39 give or take. They were marvelous compared to the fixed landing gear types currently in use, and these 39 or so planes racked up hundreds of kills (as they could fly faster than the I-16 type 5s and I-153's they were up against, something earlier marks could not boast). By fall of 1941 there were 213 zeros in use by land based squadrons [numbers from squadron signal]. I'm not sure what the breakup was, but I must assume some of them were trainers (same as with the navy, they had to train).

By the end of 1942, and definitely into 1943, Model 21s were quite common. Just look at any photo around Rabaul and you'll see them lining runways. Before that? Not as common as other land based planes. Of the 750-or-so Ki-43-I's made, all were used over land. The Ki-43-II even more so. Overall just short of 6000 Ki-43s were built and they served from 1941 to late 1944. I don't mean to compare to the total Zero production, one of the most-produced planes in all of WW2 no doubt. I mean to impress that all of them were land-based. That's just one type, as well! Before it came Ki-27 Nates and A5M Claudes and similar types. After it came Ki-84 and N1K2s and so forth. Alongside it came N1K-Js, Ki-61s, J2M Raidens, and myriad twin engine types. None of those are A6M variants.

So I will defend myself by saying this: I'm not denigrating the numbers of A6Ms, I'm advocating the numbers of many many many other types all combined simply outnumbering land-based A6Ms by a landslide.

[HighTone]

 

[zarkov]

He111 would be nice to have in the game.

However, the planes I would love to see are:

The fighter variants of the Ju88.
Ki-43, 44 and 46.

[nrshida]

This is a bald-faced LIE that a select few (that I can count on 3 fingers) continually make about me, and it is absolutely false. It is intentionally false, and intentionally perpetuated simply to insult me and dismiss anything I say. It's worse than a straw man argument. It's the sign you HAVE NO argument, when you have to lie to distract from that fact.

I've tried to explain this to you in a friendly way once already.

When it comes to Japanese aircraft for some reason you seem to let your own ideas run amok in the face of data, you just seem to filter out what you don't agree with. This isn't rigourous and academic method, that's why we've clashed many times already.

Even in this thread you're making incorrect statements again about the Ki-100 / 61 even though we've been through it all about 18 months ago. New material emerged from three separate sources about the weights and models, about the Ki-61 we currently have, the airframe differences and the development and attributes of the Ki-100. But here again I read you posting the same opinion you had before that thread. So what, you didn't agree with it and just dismissed the work of others. Why?

By contrast your work on German aircraft seems fairly rigourous and diligent, I was impressed by your recent Me410 cockpit post for example.

Such a dichotomous pattern of behaviour leads people to conclude you are biased about Japanese aircraft. It's an obvious conclusion, can't you see that?

I say again, if multiple people come to the same conclusion independently then the common element is YOU. Continuing to be defensive while not considering your role in the dynamic will ensure this will continue to happen. There's nothing personal in this Krusty, this simply pertains to your 'work' on these forums.

[DrBone1]

 

[palef]

This isn't helping me get an Emily into the game. Focus!

[SmokinLoon]

9-pages of speculation, but not one logical bribe conjured up yet for HiTech (or Pyro, or Superfly, or Cactus)?...  interesting.

When truth is spoken there is no reason for them to speak up.   

He111, here is comes.   

[Megalodon]

I can't help but smile when I consider that 25000 of Krusty's 25235 posts are him being wrong about something

 



In general, a fallacy is an error of reasoning, used, often intentionally, to win an argument.  You’ll find that the pseudoscience pushing crowd love logical fallacies because, frankly, they are so easy to use.  And they work so well, because it shifts the argument from evidence and facts to rhetoric and disinformation.  Because the science denialist crowd, which include (but not limited to) creationists, homeopaths, anti-vaccinationists, global warming deniers, alternative medicine pushers, and sasquatch fans, have no evidence supporting their positions, they have tended to use logical fallacies to argue against the skeptical side.

The Strawman Fallacy is admittedly a favorite, because it takes such creativity to invent it, and the fallacious arguer will use it until their last breath.  Basically, a strawman fallacy is an attempt by an arguer to invent a position for the other side, then dismiss the other side because of the invented position.  For example, the anti-vaccination crowd will say “you don’t care about our autistic children,” then in the next breath, state that because we don’t care about their autistic children, vaccines are bad.  It’s called a strawman because you look at that argument (we don’t care about autistic children) rather than the evidence that vaccines do not cause autism.  It’s frustrating beyond belief.


 

[nrshida]

In the academic environment trying to employ these kind of logical fallacies draws a sarcastically dismissive look for about 1/3rd of a second before they adjust how much attention they pay to you in the future and look away.

On the Aces High forum it's a normal day at the office, with a few notable exceptions which keep me here. Does get rather tiring sometimes however.

[LCADolby]

Need a hug Shida?