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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #165 on: October 24, 2012, 07:27:10 PM »
Nrshida playing the strawman accusation? He's the one that attributes lies to me. He was one of the three I could count that did so. He intentionally slandered me (more than once) with that pre-specified lie because he didn't like how a discussion was going. So yes, he's quite correct. He can only spread false statements so much before people turn away from him. That's why I don't participate in threads with him much anymore.

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« Reply #166 on: October 25, 2012, 03:04:07 AM »
As to the Ki-61 and Ki-100, they are more different than that.  The Ki-100 was built out of Ki-61-II fuselages, not Ki-61-I fuselages, thus having a cut down rear fuselage for better visibility.

As mentioned just a small correction.

As mentioned there were both high backs and low backs among both fighters. The initial series of Ki-100-Ia used the high back Ki-61-II fuselages left engineless due to the engine plant being bombed down. After those, two smaller series (12 and 106) of Ki-100-Ibs were built which had low back fuselages. One example of the Ki-100-Ib is left in Britain.


*Ki-100-II was a turbo-equipped variant. Only three prototypes were built.
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« Reply #167 on: October 25, 2012, 03:11:28 AM »
And an addition, the 'low back' design and production jigs were used for the small number of Ki-100 I-Otsu. Nothing was 'cut down' you can't cut down a fuselage without totally stripping it down and rebuilding it with new parts. 'Cut down' is just an expression which some clowns think (not you Karnak  :salute) was a modification technique  :rofl

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« Reply #168 on: October 25, 2012, 03:31:28 AM »
Incorrect. The Ki-100 was built off Ki-61 fuselages. During the production they cut down the back of the fuselage. It didn't start that way. Not many of those were done.

Plus, it's a 1942 design with a 1941 engine if I recall, and the only reason folks want it is because of an absolutely fabricated history and mythos that internet lies and bad historians have propogated. It would be less effective than our current Ki-61. If we got new variants of our Ki-61, including the earlier lighter versions, it (the Ki-100) would be worse in all aspects.

It certainly wouldn't be worse in all aspects. The weights between Ki-100 and Ki-61-Tei found in AH are roughly equal but Ki-100's powerplant produces approx. 320hp more. Ki-100 also has twice the cannon ammo of the Ki-61-Tei.

There are many many sources stating the above.

So, Ki-100 would climb/accelerate better than Ki-61-Tei in AH and carry more ammo. How is that "worse in all aspects"?? So how is spreading a myth that it would be worse than the Ki-61 in AH any better compared to spreading the older myth that it was the best fighter that the Japan had? I find this rather ironic. :)

Personally, considering that Ki-61's speed isn't its best asset in the LWMA to begin with, I'd easily choose better E-recovery and more ammo over a difference in top speed.
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« Reply #169 on: October 25, 2012, 03:45:28 AM »
Nrshida playing the strawman accusation? He's the one that attributes lies to me. He was one of the three I could count that did so. He intentionally slandered me (more than once) with that pre-specified lie because he didn't like how a discussion was going. So yes, he's quite correct. He can only spread false statements so much before people turn away from him. That's why I don't participate in threads with him much anymore.



Point 1: I haven't 'spread' anything about you, people came to the same conclusion independently that you are biased towards Japanese aircraft. Anybody can observe the pattern, present in your continued posts. No one knows your motivation, not even you I suspect.

Point 2 Your accusation that I have been spreading lies about you is unfounded, incorrect, slanderous, and in fact a personal attack (see Point 3). I defy you to substantiate your claim or retract it and apologise.

Point 3 This is nothing personal whatsoever from my side, this is 'professional', about your appalling historical methodology and lack of objectivity in this area. The only personal part is it boils my piss to see 60 Watters using an internet forum as a platform of academic equivalence. It is not.

Point 4 Your methods are unsound, you have no objectivity and no concept of rigourous academic method and no experience of peer review, you cannot take any criticism of your work without getting offended and making unfounded accusations of personal attack, whilst making passive-aggressive personal attacks of your own. The typical forum-gaming techniques of a crackpot.

Point 5 Your comprehension is woefully inadequate, what you extract from historical data seldom matches groups of other people's conclusions. This has been demonstrated several times. You still cannot see this deficiency yourself.

Point 6 You are incapable of listening to others and accepting what they say with humility or any public acceptance. This stands equally for historical material as well as friendly advice.

Point 7 Most normal people welcome discussion on these subjects, discussion is part of the academic method, discussion is how we discover the truth or in this area a reasonable approximation of that. It doesn't matter, actually, if you make mistakes or erroneous comments, the system is fault tolerant and you must learn to separate yourself from the material to go further. But that part only works if you concede to those more knowledgeable than you, like Wmaker here for instance, or concede your mistakes, instead of loading your whole ego and self-worth behind it.
        The fact is Krusty, discussion is impossible with you because of the points listed above. You perpetually state the way it is and then then refuse to listen to others and acknowledge when you are wrong but skulk away only to show up months later asserting the same old claptrap. As a historian you are unreliable and perpetuate more hyperbole than contribute anything useful.














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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #170 on: October 25, 2012, 03:57:47 AM »
One example of the Ki-100-Ib is left in Britain.

I've touched that aircraft! It literally buzzes with historical presence.

What is seldom mentioned about the Ki-100 is how small it is, it is no bigger than the Bf109 which stands nearby. And the fitment of the radial engine is a very neat piece of work.

I know Wmaker has seen them, but for those that haven't, pictures here:-


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,296722.0.html



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« Reply #171 on: October 25, 2012, 04:11:48 AM »
I've touched that aircraft! It literally buzzes with historical presence.

I sure wish I would have. It's right up there with the Seiran, the last remaining Ki-61-II, Ki-84 and the Macchi Schneider Cup racers at Vigna Di Valle...and the BW-372 of course but I've already seen that. ;)

It is the most rare ones that seem fascinate me the most.
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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2012, 09:04:24 AM »
I've touched that aircraft! It literally buzzes with historical presence.

What is seldom mentioned about the Ki-100 is how small it is, it is no bigger than the Bf109 which stands nearby. And the fitment of the radial engine is a very neat piece of work.

I know Wmaker has seen them, but for those that haven't, pictures here:-


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,296722.0.html

 I have not seen these photos, Thanks for posting them.





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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2012, 10:04:19 AM »
It certainly wouldn't be worse in all aspects. The weights between Ki-100 and Ki-61-Tei found in AH are roughly equal but Ki-100's powerplant produces approx. 320hp more. Ki-100 also has twice the cannon ammo of the Ki-61-Tei.

There are many many sources stating the above.

So, Ki-100 would climb/accelerate better than Ki-61-Tei in AH and carry more ammo. How is that "worse in all aspects"?? So how is spreading a myth that it would be worse than the Ki-61 in AH any better compared to spreading the older myth that it was the best fighter that the Japan had? I find this rather ironic. :)

Personally, considering that Ki-61's speed isn't its best asset in the LWMA to begin with, I'd easily choose better E-recovery and more ammo over a difference in top speed.

Any speculation on whether the Ki.100's engine would have WEP?

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« Reply #174 on: October 25, 2012, 01:02:53 PM »
Any speculation on whether the Ki.100's engine would have WEP?

It largely depends on terminology Japanese used about the highest power setting. In the western literature the 1500hp setting is referred as take-off setting. In the end it really depends on HTC how they interpret the data, weather they leave the 1500hp to run indefinately or if the put it under time limit

Here's some data (Ha-112-II is the radial in the Ki-100):


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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #175 on: October 25, 2012, 01:18:07 PM »
Oscar and 111.

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« Reply #176 on: October 25, 2012, 01:25:49 PM »
Any speculation on whether the Ki.100's engine would have WEP?

I would guess 5 minutes.
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Re: I Predict the Next Plane HTC Brings Forth Will Be...
« Reply #177 on: October 25, 2012, 01:27:22 PM »
Oscar and 111.
Maybe we need three votes?

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Aces High 1.0 Update

But honestly, if HTC wanted to soley focus on updating all existing out of date aircraft and vehicles, I'd be ok with that too...only if they did it a lot quicker than they're doing it right now.... :D
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« Reply #178 on: October 25, 2012, 01:30:05 PM »
We need a spy in texas, to stroll in to HTC's office, get him talking about his fav whiskey brand, present him a bottle and try to extract information on the next patch....

We all want New Fighters, New Bombers... HTC will troll us and give us a Ju-52 :)
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« Reply #179 on: October 25, 2012, 01:37:43 PM »
Okay..Add 2 Country's at once, Australia and France next plane update Add ...CAC Boomerang and the Dewoitine D.520