GM's new motor series ..the LT1 ??

[Grayeagle]

hijacking a thread is something I just do not worry about

I just post info that intrigues me ..GM is apparantly trying to evolve the LS motor into something better.
Can not always be done, even with actual 'engineers' workin on it

Sometimes it seems they take two steps back for one forward, and more often than not a hot rodder knows more of what works and what doesn't.

Sayin it's not a big horsepower motor is interesting.
Compared to what, exactly?
It'll be the base Vette motor it looks like.
What is the base Mustang motor? -evil grin- ..I hear it's a V6?

I think the new boss 302 Mustang is a neat car.
For the money I'd rather have a base Vette ..but ..that's just me.

-Frank aka GE

[CAP1]

hijacking a thread is something I just do not worry about

I just post info that intrigues me ..GM is apparantly trying to evolve the LS motor into something better.
Can not always be done, even with actual 'engineers' workin on it

Sometimes it seems they take two steps back for one forward, and more often than not a hot rodder knows more of what works and what doesn't.

Sayin it's not a big horsepower motor is interesting.
Compared to what, exactly?
It'll be the base Vette motor it looks like.
What is the base Mustang motor? -evil grin- ..I hear it's a V6?

I think the new boss 302 Mustang is a neat car.
For the money I'd rather have a base Vette ..but ..that's just me.

-Frank aka GE

 keeping engineers away from the engnie, and letting hot rodders work on em would produce faster/better results.

 the base mustang is a 3.7 liter(i think) v6 rated at 305hp. the bast mustang gt(they're listed differently) is a 5 liter v8 rated at 420. the gt premium is the same engine, just with some cool/groovy stuff added. the boss302, regardless of base or ls is also a 5 liter v8 rated at 450 for the upcoming model.

 wouldn't it be nice to see even just that 450hp 5 liter in a ford gt produced for around 60-70 grand? or go balls out with the supercharged 5.8 liter in one.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Well, 1.2HP per cubic inch is completely underwhelming given all the "tech" the thing is supposed to have.

They screwed up at every turn. it should have been 4.125" x 3.625", with a 6.125" rod. That would have been 388 cubic inches, not 375, and been a lot better layout. It's common knowledge in the high performance business. And with everything they have to work with, it should be around 1.5HP per cubic inch, normally aspirated.

Considering the Corvette recently had forged pistons and titanium rods, it is a step back, and if they wanted to save money, all they had to do was go to forged steel rods (they didn't) and stainless hollow stem valves (which they did).

A solid 10 degrees more duration, and at least 0.050" more lift would be fine considering the LSA. Honestly they could have gone with at least 218 and 0.600" and been just fine, if I can get that to pass with a carburetor and no electronics, without a converter, surely they can do it with all of their "technology".

[Grayeagle]

Aye CAP Ford could really do a great number on the Ford GT if they offered a few killer small block packages topped with a killer big block.
There really should be a 427 Ford GT ..ideally twin turbo but heck, even a decent twin cam N/A motor to capture the legend.
The twin turbo's would be put on by the aftermarket -evil grin-

And I also agree with yas Virgil .. I understand they want a base daily driver vette motor however ..
..I also agree that this seems a step back and not at all in line with the philosophy of the LT-1 heritage, much less Corvette.

I also remember the '80's though ..when it seemed a race to see just how little hp they could get out of a V8.
The Corvette should demand hot rod engineering first and just say NO to marketing suit dweebs entirely ...but ..that's just me.

I think stepping back in hp is a mistake along with any attempt at reworking the actual design to look more ricer.
(re: transformers unveil of prototype Vette ..it looks like what Nissan would do)
What next .. a bookshelf on the back along with trash can mufflers? -rolls eyes-

People want a ricer they get one .. Vette should always be rice killer not rice wannabe.

-Frank aka GE (just sayin -tm Pasha)

[jeep00]

6.2 litre engine  450bHP... Anyone else think that that is a poor showing for such a high cc?

Anyone not in Europe thinks it looks nice, but v6's with much less displacement are well within that in multiple applications in Europe. I don't follow well enough to know all the reasons, only know they squeeze the power from much smaller engines regularly from the mfg. That is what we should focus on here, but no, how many cupholders can fit is the top priority. Much as they like to poke fun, Detroit is as slow to change as any branch of the government, and almost as imaginative. Can't wait for the next line of lookalike cars to come out. Though that is happening across the pond now too, can't tell a merc from a hyundai sonata now.
Kudos to Ford though, they ARE stepping up to the challenge, the Focus ST (I think) is putting out gret numbers for it's size.

[Grayeagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXYK4rR7Sw&feature=watch-vrec

As I said .. boss 302 is a neat car.
Priced right with the base Vette it looks like.
(puzzled look)

Ya'll know which I'd spend the money on.

-Frank aka GE

[CAP1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXYK4rR7Sw&feature=watch-vrec

As I said .. boss 302 is a neat car.
Priced right with the base Vette it looks like.
(puzzled look)

Ya'll know which I'd spend the money on.

-Frank aka GE

 pretty decent video....but most of jay's are. the 013 boss looks sooooo much better then the 012's.....if for no other reason than that gaudy, stupid paint combos ford was using on them.

[Skuzzy]

I am not sure, or have any clue at all, but it seems to me it is a bit early to judge what might be going into the Vette.  Has there been an official announcement of what this engine will actually do in a Vette?

I am thinking this is just baseline stuff and the Vette version will get the special treatment.  Or it is just some noise to make Ford feel like they do not have to push it any further and then BAMM!  Chevy announces a 700HP version of this motor. 

Then again, who knows.  Maybe there is a Nova in the works and this is the engine it will get.  A lot of speculation.  However, I cannot see Chevy setting back and letting Ford keep the horse power crown for very long.

[eagl]

Then again, who knows.  Maybe there is a Nova in the works and this is the engine it will get.  A lot of speculation.  However, I cannot see Chevy setting back and letting Ford keep the horse power crown for very long.

Lots of people think the Chevy SS will get an LS motor, but maybe that motor is also slated for the SS?  It's a shame because the LS motors are so trivially modded and lots and lots of chebby owners want a reasonably priced V8 they can tinker with on the cheap.  The LS motors sure met that need and I really do think that limiting the ability of owners to fiddle with the motors will drive them to other brands.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Thoughts Pertaining to Youth, Hot Rodders, and Chevrolet

The Hot Rod movement and interest in things connected with hop-up and speed is still growing. As an indication: the publications devoted to hot rodding and hop-upping, of which some half-dozen have a very large circulation and are distributed nationally, did not exist some six years ago.

From cover to cover, they are full of Fords. This is not surprising that the majority of hot rodders are eating, sleeping, and dreaming modified Fords. They know Ford parts from stern to stern better than Ford people themselves.

A young man buying a magazine for the first time immediately becomes introduced to Ford. It is reasonable to assume that when hot rodders or hot rod-influenced persons buy transportation, they buy Fords. As they progress in age and income, they graduate from jalopies to second-hand Fords, then to new Fords.

Should we consider that it would be desirable to make these youths Chevrolet-minded? I think that we are in a position to carry out a successful attempt. However, there are many factors against us:

1. Loyalty and experience with Ford.
2. Hop-up industry is geared with Ford.
3. Law of numbers: thousands are and will be working on Fords for active competition.
4. Appearance of Ford’s overhead V-8, now one year ahead of us.

When a superior line of GM V-8s appeared, there where remarkably few attempts to develop these, and none too successful. Also, the appearance of the V-8 Chrysler was met with reluctance even though the success of Ardun-Fords conditioned them to the acceptance of Firepower.

This year is the first one in which isolated Chrysler development met with successes. The Bonneville records are divided between Ardun-Fords and Chryslers.

Like all people, hot rodders are attracted by novelty. However, bitter experience has taught them that new development is costly and long, and therefore they are extremely conservative. From my observation, it takes an advanced hot rodder some three years to stumble toward the successful development of a new design. Overhead Fords will be in this stable between 1956 and 1957.

The slide rule potential of our RPO V-8 engine is extremely high, but to let things run their natural course will put us one year behind – and then not too many hot rodders will pick Chevrolet for development. One factor which can largely overcome this handicap would be the availability of ready-engineered parts for higher output.

If the use of the Chevrolet engine would be made easy and the very first attempts would be crowned with success, the appeal of the new RPO V-8 engine will take hold and not have the stigma of expensiveness like the Cadillac or Chrysler, and a swing to Chevrolet may be anticipated. This means the development of a range of special parts – camshafts, valves, springs, manifolds, pistons, and such – should be made available to the public.

To make good in this field, the RPO parts must pertain not only to the engine but to the chassis components as well. In fact, the use of light alloys and brake development, such as composite drums and discs, are already on the agenda of the Research and Development group.

These thoughts are offered for what they are worth: one man’s thinking aloud on the subject.

Signed,

Zora Arkus-Duntov
December 16, 1953

Chevrolet does not currently employ men such as Zora Arkus Duntov in higher placers, nor do they employ men such as Ed Cole. I seriously doubt men of their ilk could get jobs nearly so high. That is what ails Chevrolet. That is why Chevrolet is as it is, and struggles.

[eagl]

LS modding is easy now, because they're using engine control modules designed for the Australian market.  Anyone can buy a $300 programmer and change everything as desired.  It makes it easy to destroy an engine accidentally, but it also means that every single change to a motor can be tuned into the controller.  That's an awesome capability and it's letting people get stupidly huge horsepower in cars like the Camaro and G8 with traditionally "entry level" mods.

[Masherbrum]

The GT went significantly faster and the news should be out soon enough.

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283.232 mph.    The World Record Holder for the Standing One Mile.    Rumor is, 300mph is just around the corner.     

[icepac]

Nobody has made the perfect trip at this time.

They either

Lose traction multiple times

Bog badly off the line

Chose the wrong facility (which causes traction issues)

Have the wrong gearing

Have the wrong driver

Using too much boost in each gear.

Once someone get's the perfect trip in the perfectly optimized car on the perfect day at the perfect facility, 300mph in the standing mile will fall.............to a street driven car with full interior and A/C.

[Shuffler]

actually, they didn't say "at least", but rather "estimated".

I've read several other write-ups about it.