it is time for a new axis bomber.....

[alpini13]

 There are a few things lacking in the game set that i would like to see added. A NEW AXIS BOMBER for one...something like the  DO-217,JU-188.or HE-177......even the SM-82 Kangaroo.  all saw service in quantity,all served during the war...some with more than one airforce,and all could be  an improvement over the current 1941 era JU-88 we have now.

[Karnak]

The best unperked Axis bomber in the game is the Ki-67.

Ju188A-1 would be my choice for a new Axis bomber.

Well, not really.  My first choice would be the H8K2.  Second choice is the Ju188A-1.

[tuton25]

The best option I can think of is the HE-111
The next best would be the HE-177

[Butcher]

The best option I can think of is the HE-111
The next best would be the HE-177

Everyone voted for the Me-410 thinking it was a blockbuster late war fighter only to find out after the first sortie they would never fly it again, now think of 50x worse now you got a He-111.

/After the first sortie, everyone crams into a B-17 and climbs to 25k as normal

[ScottyK]

  This also happened for the Betty too correct? most people wanted it for historical reasons and got it, then it turned into a hangar queen, this will probably happen if the HE-111 was added.

  Us as players always love new toys, but go back to the planes we are most comfortable with.

  Personally i'd love to see the He-111, but that is my own opinion.

[Karnak]

ScottyK,

No, the G4M1 was added by HTC primarily for scenario purposes.  Nobody has ever suggested the G4M1 would be anything other than a hangar queen in the LWA.

You can find uses for it and it does have a nice attribute, very fast climb rate to about 12,000ft, but it always will be a hangar queen.

Some people seem to mistake the He111 for something other than a hangar queen in the LWA.  Most people who advocate for it are quite well aware of how it will do in the LWA and just want it for scenarios, which is a perfectly reasonable thing.  Some others seem to think it would be far better than it will be.

Additional Axis bombers that would be good in the MA:

Do217E
H8K2 'Emily'
He177A-5
Ju188A-1
P.108
P1Y1 Ginga 'Frances'


Axis bombers that would be hangar queens yet would be good additions:

He111
SM.79-II

[thndregg]

Everyone voted for the Me-410 thinking it was a blockbuster late war fighter only to find out after the first sortie they would never fly it again, now think of 50x worse now you got a He-111.

/After the first sortie, everyone crams into a B-17 and climbs to 25k as normal

I find this happens a lot when folks want something seemingly "uber". It's amazing what really happens when the "new" wears off. At this point, I think it's sensible to want an addition to the game that fills the scenario gaps.

[SmokinLoon]

The He-111 is already inbound.

Oh, and I'd like Karnak to define "best". 

In terms of causing damage to enemy targets, the Ju-88 is better than the Ki-67 in terms of "best Axis bomber" because of ordnance capability.  In terms of climb and speed, then the nod goes to the Ki-67.  Otherwise...

[titanic3]

Ki-67 is a perk farmer. You get a rather awesome amount for killing a 5 ENY plane, and the 20mm is perfect for that job.

[Karnak]

Oh, and I'd like Karnak to define "best". 

In terms of causing damage to enemy targets, the Ju-88 is better than the Ki-67 in terms of "best Axis bomber" because of ordnance capability.  In terms of climb and speed, then the nod goes to the Ki-67.  Otherwise...

Ki-67 probably gets the nod in terms of causing damage to the enemy as well due to its much greater chance of making it to the target.  I think that only with heavy air superiority would the Ju88A-4 be better at causing damage.

Ju188A-1 would, of course, be better than either.

[Butcher]

Ki-67 is a perk farmer. You get a rather awesome amount for killing a 5 ENY plane, and the 20mm is perfect for that job.

Very true, if I need perks I head to midwar with a Ki-67 or Ju-88 and hunt for CV's. Then again once you get 1200 perks you never need buff perks again unless you tend to crash b-29s for no reason

[tuton25]

The HE-177 has many atributes that make it great. It would probably see as much, if not more use than allied heavy bombers in the LWA
It has the payload of a Lancaster (up to 13,000lbs+)
It has the defensive guns of a B-17 (x2 20mm, x5 13mm, x1 7.92mm)
It can carry the Fritz X, which has been asked about
It is faster than a B-17
But it burns like a B-24

[Karnak]

The HE-177 has many atributes that make it great. It would probably see as much, if not more use than allied heavy bombers in the LWA
It has the payload of a Lancaster (up to 13,000lbs+)
It has the defensive guns of a B-17 (x2 20mm, x5 13mm, x1 7.92mm)
It can carry the Fritz X, which has been asked about
It is faster than a B-17
But it burns like a B-24

It would also be a complete farce to have it so grossly misrepresented in AH.  To make it out as though it were better than the B-17, Lancaster and B-24 is sheer absurdity.  It was an absolute failure of a weapons program, yet in AH it would seem be the best bomber of the war.

Ju188A-1 or Do217E should be added for the Germans, not the He177A-5.

[Volron]

Very true, if I need perks I head to midwar with a Ki-67 or Ju-88 and hunt for CV's. Then again once you get 1200 perks you never need buff perks again unless you tend to crash b-29s for no reason

Not my fault them bloody mountains keep jumping out in front of me 29!   They should know better than to be there before me!

[Butcher]

Not my fault them bloody mountains keep jumping out in front of me 29!   They should know better than to be there before me!

I plowed a pair of 262's into the mountain a while back, I was on an auto climb and AFK'ed to take a wizz, I wasn't gone 2-3 minutes when I came back I was climbing over a hill and wasn't going to make it, I tried to fish tail and fly back down the mountain but I ended up stalling

I swear there was NO mountain in sight and on the map I was at least 2 sectors from it, I think HTC just randomly spawned the mountain in front of me to crash into