how to inspire kids to join the police department

[minke]

If it was a deliberate dishcharge (or there is any truth at all, which I doubt) and I was to speculate on the matter, the Leo sure as heck wouldnt have shot a kid unprovoked. No way. The kid would likely have shot his mouth off, and provoked a situation. These reports are written to stir trouble. There have been 2 cases in the UK news recently, 1 involved an 'innocent' bystander who was roughed up. Turned out he was drunk and abusive. I hear about so many of these stories, they are never what they seem after investigation.

[james]

There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There is however one called the negligent discharge. Like it or not the officer did something negligent to hurt the kid.

[guncrasher]

If it was a deliberate dishcharge (or there is any truth at all, which I doubt) and I was to speculate on the matter, the Leo sure as heck wouldnt have shot a kid unprovoked. No way. The kid would likely have shot his mouth off, and provoked a situation. These reports are written to stir trouble. There have been 2 cases in the UK news recently, 1 involved an 'innocent' bystander who was roughed up. Turned out he was drunk and abusive. I hear about so many of these stories, they are never what they seem after investigation.

we arent talking about the 2 drunks in the uk.  we are talking about a kid who jockingly said no to wash a police car and the officer was dumb enough to pull his tazer as a joke and it "accidentally" fired when he pressed the trigger.


semp

[minke]

My drunk example wasnt a comparision between the seriousness of the supposed incidents, I was drawing a comparison between the bias and bad reporting of the story. I totally stand by the fact that if a kid said a polite no, there is no way he would get deliberately shocked. These stories are all about sensationalism and rabble rousing before truth.

 

[guncrasher]

My drunk example wasnt a comparision between the seriousness of the supposed incidents, I was drawing a comparison between the bias and bad reporting of the story. I totally stand by the fact that if a kid said a polite no, there is no way he would get deliberately shocked. These stories are all about sensationalism and rabble rousing before truth.

 

even if a kid said no with an attitude, it was still career day and a police officer has no business forcing somebody to wash his car.  otherwise I can just get my gun go outside and force the neighbor kids to wash mine.  after all what is the difference?  oh yeah, i would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.  after all what would my defense be "they gave me lip"


semp

[Hannibal]

sorry but what about "to protect and serve" do you not understand  

 your post is one of the most asinine posts in the history of AH BBS

I agree what that guy said was ridiculous, but the cops have no legal duty to protect citizens. The whole taser thing bothers me though. Tasers were introduced as an alternative to deadly force but now it seems a whole lot of cops use them as an alternative to breaking a sweat and getting their hands dirty. Obviously tasering an old lady thats not complying and tasering a kid cuz he threatened you with a stick is disgusting, but I'd go as far to say tasering some guy thats resisting when there's nine cops kneeling on him is just as pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The guy is laying on the ground with five cops standing around him and they still feel a need to taser him not to mention pepper spraying the mom. If five guys can't physically subdue one averaged sized man maybe it's time to start looking for a new job...

[Traveler]

I call bs on this story, just like all the other anti LEO posts on the internet. IF the story is true as told, then the smartmouth kid learnt a valuable lesson that a lot of people sorely need. If a police officer asks/tells you to do something, you should comply.

You sir are an idiot.   

[ink]

I agree what that guy said was ridiculous, but the cops have no legal duty to protect citizens. The whole taser thing bothers me though. Tasers were introduced as an alternative to deadly force but now it seems a whole lot of cops use them as an alternative to breaking a sweat and getting their hands dirty. Obviously tasering an old lady thats not complying and tasering a kid cuz he threatened you with a stick is disgusting, but I'd go as far to say tasering some guy thats resisting when there's nine cops kneeling on him is just as pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The guy is laying on the ground with five cops standing around him and they still feel a need to taser him not to mention pepper spraying the mom. If five guys can't physically subdue one averaged sized man maybe it's time to start looking for a new job...

 

I don't understand....it is there job to "protect and serve"  they most certainly have to protect the citizens, how can you say otherwise.(thats not to say I think you should think they are going to, you need to protect yourself)

...... this is just one of many topics that I should not partake in.......I am very opinionated and...the way people are blinded and actually believe that it is a privilege to drive on OUR roads....cops don't "have to" protect the citizens....its okay that a senate member makes 200K a year....a X president gets paid 400K for the rest of his life and has secret service protection.......these type of thoughts just get me........ehhhhh cant describe it

[Plawranc]

Next career day at my local school I'm going to point a Claymore at the kiddies.  My vehicle shall be spotless!

OMFG   

Day = Made

[Traveler]

I agree what that guy said was ridiculous, but the cops have no legal duty to protect citizens.

That statement is wrong.  What is true that by the nature of their job, seldom is a police officer available to protect someone piror to a crime taking place, however, there are a number of instances on record where police have protected citizens.   a good example is when a husband/wife goes looking for someone to kill their wife/husband only to discover at the time of their arrest that they have been talking to and trying to hire an undercover police officer.  Or when a police officer stops a speeder, he's protecting everyone except the speeder, right.     If a police officer witnesses a crime, domestic violence, it is their legal duty to make an arrest.     

[Hannibal]

That statement is wrong.  What is true that by the nature of their job, seldom is a police officer available to protect someone piror to a crime taking place, however, there are a number of instances on record where police have protected citizens.   a good example is when a husband/wife goes looking for someone to kill their wife/husband only to discover at the time of their arrest that they have been talking to and trying to hire an undercover police officer.  Or when a police officer stops a speeder, he's protecting everyone except the speeder, right.     If a police officer witnesses a crime, domestic violence, it is their legal duty to make an arrest.     

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

[guncrasher]

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

no what that rule applies to is that the police dont have the obligation to be with you 24/7.


semp

[Tank-Ace]

If Joe Blow did it, likely wouldn't have been nearly so widely covered by media.


I don't know why, but for some reason, attaching an individual's screw-up to the institution is 'in' lately.


Now just a personal opinion here, but I feel like we owe them our respect, regardless of if we've had a bad incounter with a bad individual. I feel like disrespecting a uniformed police officer should be a public offense. And I feel society should be less tolerant of stupidity and put greater preasure on people to conform to social norms.

It seems that the bar has been lowered for society, and that our stadards are degrading. Now not that I've looked extremely closely into this, and I very well might be wrong, but it seems to me that this kind of started when society tolerated hippies, instead of cracking down on them.

[Hannibal]

If Joe Blow did it, likely wouldn't have been nearly so widely covered by media.


I don't know why, but for some reason, attaching an individual's screw-up to the institution is 'in' lately.


Now just a personal opinion here, but I feel like we owe them our respect, regardless of if we've had a bad incounter with a bad individual. I feel like disrespecting a uniformed police officer should be a public offense. And I feel society should be less tolerant of stupidity and put greater preasure on people to conform to social norms.

It seems that the bar has been lowered for society, and that our stadards are degrading. Now not that I've looked extremely closely into this, and I very well might be wrong, but it seems to me that this kind of started when society tolerated hippies, instead of cracking down on them.

Wow....just wow.

[Tank-Ace]

Wow....just wow.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its a crime to be different, or to question government's actions.

But my point is that you still have to pay attention in school, respect military veterns, acknowledge and respect the institution even if you don't like it, and be a fuctioning member of society.



I have absolutely zero tolerance for my stupid peers who go through 12 different boyfriends/girlfriends a year, and complain about how mean men are, or how all girls are sluts; the problem is clearly on their end.



I don't like, nor do I accept or acknowledge the 'social outcasts' who do everything they can to seperate themselves from the majority, and then make comments about how they'll just never fit in, and that the rest of us just don't understand them.

I have friends who would fall into that category, except for the fact that they don't whine, and actually venture out of the corner when invited to do so. Guess what.... they fit in.



If someone tries talk to me about the USA paralleling the Third Reich, or seriously speaks the scentence "did you know theres never been a real Communist country?" I will promptly tell them they are being stupid.