Crash this weekend at my airport.

[Babalonian]

You need a 3000'+ displacement imho.




I think there's a third party involved that many have not been mentioned elsewhere yet (4th if you want to give credit to the airport management), the pilot was a student, and while he may completely not be at any fault, some responcibility should be put on this student's instructor, but really only other CFIs should be able to criticise that aspect of involvement.

[skorpx1]

Without reading the NTSB report, I would guess the red plane taxied out while the plane on top was in his flare just about to touch down.

Even that doesn't make sense. Iv'e been in small airplanes before and know that it'd be hard to miss a 4 ton aircraft flying at you from a mile away, and if it wasn't visible what did the guys in the control tower say to the guy in the red plane (possibly) knowing that the other one was on the same runway coming in for landing?

[mbailey]

Just curious, who put a road in the path of the runway

Or, who designed a runway in the path of a road?

Not a pilot, but it just seems....well.....stupid?

Or, is this a road that services the airport?

Here nor there, but is there a stop sign? Or just the pavement markings.....Its hard to tell from the Video.

[Fud]

Maybe this can be incorporated into the game when trying to hit the supply convoy? 

[colmbo]

How does someone manage to do that? I'm not a pilot or an expert on landing a plane, but to me it seems like you'd have to be a complete idiot to do such a thing.

No external view in real life....you can hide a lot under the nose of many aircraft, especially if flying a power on, slow, nose high approach.

[Busher]

seems like a very inexperienced pilot...the cessna was landing flapless; it was also close to the stall (check body-angle) and lateral control.

If the runway was short he or she should of had at least some flaps - better vis, better lateral control, better opportunity for a go aound had he seen the SUV.

Always remember, a good landing is one you can walk away from.... a Great Landing lets you use the airplane again.

[B4Buster]

Even that doesn't make sense. Iv'e been in small airplanes before and know that it'd be hard to miss a 4 ton aircraft flying at you from a mile away, and if it wasn't visible what did the guys in the control tower say to the guy in the red plane (possibly) knowing that the other one was on the same runway coming in for landing?

neither aircraft in the picture are four tons. In fact, both combined do not weigh four tons. The incident most likely did not happen at a towered airport (most airports are not controlled).

[skorpx1]

neither aircraft in the picture are four tons. In fact, both combined do not weigh four tons. The incident most likely did not happen at a towered airport (most airports are not controlled).

I'm not an expert on aircraft weight, so my guesses were clearly off but if you ask me I think it was still possible to see a plane coming in for landing before taxiing onto the runway. Planes aren't that hard to spot from my experience.

[B4Buster]

I'm not an expert on aircraft weight, so my guesses were clearly off but if you ask me I think it was still possible to see a plane coming in for landing before taxiing onto the runway. Planes aren't that hard to spot from my experience.

Spotting other aircraft can be very difficult. Spotting aircraft in the pattern (while you are still on the ground) is easier than spotting other aircraft while in the air, but both can be challenging. It is very possible the red plane on the bottom didn't even bother looking before jumping out on the runway, though. I don't want to assume anything as I have not read any reports on the accident.

[skorpx1]

Spotting other aircraft can be very difficult. Spotting aircraft in the pattern (while you are still on the ground) is easier than spotting other aircraft while in the air, but both can be challenging. It is very possible the red plane on the bottom didn't even bother looking before jumping out on the runway, though. I don't want to assume anything as I have not read any reports on the accident.

I am also going to guess that the guy in the red plane hadn't looked before he went and caused the accident. I know that just by looking at a plane in game while landing, its hard to see what's under your nose because it covers your FOV but I believe it was mostly the guy in the red plane who had caused the problem.

[B4Buster]

I am also going to guess that the guy in the red plane hadn't looked before he went and caused the accident. I know that just by looking at a plane in game while landing, its hard to see what's under your nose because it covers your FOV but I believe it was mostly the guy in the red plane who had caused the problem.

Yeah, that's what I mean. The red aircraft could very well have jumped right out there while the other was on short final, beginning his flare. In that case it would have been impossible for the landing aircraft to see him. My guess, FWIW (probably not much :0).

[Digr1]

if i remember right, I thought it was min 50 at threshold

[hitech]

On the plane on plane incident.

The red plane had started his take off roll.

From the run up spot on runway 35 it was impossible to see planes on short final due to trees. I used to spend extra time before taking runway to make sure that the blind spot was clear. You could see downwind base and long final with out a problem.

Obviously there also must have been some type of communication issue that the red plane did not hear the landing plane make his final call.

After the incident they removed a lot of trees to clear the blind spot.

HiTech

[captain1ma]

on the original post, anyone that has flown in a small plane knows how much of a blind spot the nose is. the pilot can see in front and off to the left, the co-pilot/passenger, straight and off to the right. if i were a passenger in that plane, i would've yelled about that car coming. if he had no one in there, i believe he said it was his first solo, he would've been totally blind on that right side. therefore he would've never seen the car coming.

now the guy in the car, like most morons on the road, assumed that the plane could see him. the car also figured that he in his all powerful SUV could either make it or figured that the plane would fly over him. Guess he was wrong on both counts. and the wench in the passenger seat, well, ill leave that alone.....

i fly in planes, i drive big rigs, i have a boat captains license and run large vessels, i run heavy equipment and i ride a motorcycle. based on my experiences there are 2 things i alway remember.
1 the guy in the 4 wheeler will always do something stupid and cause an accident.
2. always assume that the car is going to do something stupid and be ready for it.

when you're on a motorcycle, it doesnt matter if you have the right of way, or did the right thing, you will be the one to suffer.
in a boat or truck or plane, again even if you right, it doesn't matter if you're dead! always assume the other guy will do something stupid.

[ToeTag]

I know when I was practicing short field landings I would touch down just after grass.  Maybe....?