Hurri update and added Seahurri

[B3YT]

ah so it should be about 5  seconds to rotate 360 . Karnak would you say that sounds about right?

[Wmaker]

Dave Southwood, a modern day warbird pilot prepared a lecture in 2004 about flying a number of warbirds including the Hurricane. In his lecture he mentiones that a full stick roll at 200KIAS (230mph IAS) takes 6 seconds at 5000ft.

[Wmaker]

I tested the roll rate using Mr. Southwood's parameters (230mph IAS, 5000ft) by rolling Hurricane IIc in game and filming it, and then by slowing the film to ~1/10th (0.11) speed to achieve more accurate timing. The time for full continuous roll to the left was 5.6 secs.

One thing that might be contributing to the different feel between the game and real life anecdotes about the poor roll rate is possible difference in roll acceleration. But that is something I can only speculate about.

Also, other speeds should be tested against good data to say anything definitive.

[Karnak]

He went from spitfires to hurricanes when he joined 249 squadron and commented that the spitfire was only  more responsive in the vertical controls.

Does he mean elevator response/authority or something else?

In AH the Hurricane seems to be more responsive in both, at least comparing the Mk I to the Mk I.

[B3YT]

He said that the spitfire was far more sensitive to pitch and even just depressing the gun button would push the nose down . Also that the spit fire was extremely easy to over correct on take off and landing leading to many  accidents where the pilot "porpoised" the aeroplane into a crash . Either flaring to much on landing  snapping under carriage or damaging the wing, on take off clipping the prop on the ground . He did say that the hurricane was much better in a dive than the spitfire and that the pitch and roll controls needed the same amount of pressure to use , where as the spitfire you needed to treat the pitch with kids gloves .

[B3YT]

The book is : gun button to fire by wing commander Tom Neil DFC & Bar , AFC , AE.  flew both aircraft . defended Malta & Palestine after the BoB .


He does say that you can manhandle the Hurricane in ways that would snap the spitfire . He also emplanes the fuel fires . It was NOT the auxiliary tank that would burn pilots but the wing tanks.  There was no bulkhead between the cockpit and wings just fabric ; so if the main tank caught fire and you opened the cockpit it would act like a chimney pulling the flames into cockpit.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

6 seconds? man..whys it feel like even a p38 rolls faster then that.


cant be right.

[Karnak]

6 seconds? man..whys it feel like even a p38 rolls faster then that.


cant be right.

Why not?  The Spitfire Mk I and Bf109E-4 are both even slower.

Also, the P-38L has the fastest roll rate of all aircraft in AH once you get over about 380mph.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

So the subject of the spitfires roll rate is also depending model type on airspeed and on alt.


Making any roll rate subjective.

[Wmaker]

So the subject of the spitfires roll rate is also depending model type on airspeed and on alt.


Making any roll rate subjective.

Eh?

How is roll rate subjective? A real aircraft rolls x degrees per second at any given altitude/speed and so should its virtual counter part at the same speed/alt.

The question is, is there there enough data about the real aircraft to determine the roll performance across the whole flight envelope.

[Karnak]

So the subject of the spitfires roll rate is also depending model type on airspeed and on alt.


Making any roll rate subjective.

The NACA 50lbs stick force roll rate chart includes both a clipped and unclipped, metal aileron Spitfire on their chart.