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Offline VansCrew1

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Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« on: November 25, 2012, 08:58:12 PM »
Whats up every one it's been a while since i was last on. Had real life issues to deal with and a broken hand to boot. I'm hoping to maybe getting back into the skys after my cast is off. That's a long story in it's self. Needless to say im back in upstate NY near Fort Drum ( junkyII if your still on back message me! ).

Anyways to get to the topic. There's a lake effect band working it's way over my way. Seen this in the radar and figured i would put it up. It looks like the radar echo has some anomaly with in the doppler. Did a little research and got the images from the radar and another similar image i pulled off of Google by searching a few things.

First large image:


Second close up image:


Third Image from google: ( :noid )


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Offline mthrockmor

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 09:10:01 PM »
On a serious note, several years ago some Brit cell phone engineers had a bright idea to track the B-2. Some how they are able to track signals between transmitters. While radar works on the target sending the radio signal back to the radar set, they realized that the shape of stealth planes reflected the radio waves anywhere but the radar set. They figured they could track the B-2 by simply following the disruption in signals from one cell phone tower to another.

It worked. The Pentagon went nuts, story was printed then pulled though not before my firm printed it. Discovered in the UK but printed in an Australian paper, go figure. In any case, it was this concept that helped the Serbs shoot down a F-117 over kosovo a year or so later.

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 09:13:34 PM »
That would be one hell of a bomb dropped from a B-2 with a 4mi wingspan :) 

All in good fun! :)

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 09:16:48 PM »
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 09:26:28 PM »
Looks like a Tetris storm a-coming
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 09:38:53 PM »
That would be one hell of a bomb dropped from a B-2 with a 4mi wingspan :) 

All in good fun! :)

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 01:52:39 AM »
So stealth bombers are trackable by people viewing facebook on cell phones :old:

Why are they called cell phones?
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 07:59:24 AM »
It's easy to track the B2 in non-combat conditions if you have the pilot's cell phone number.


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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 11:04:05 AM »
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 12:06:02 PM »
It's easy to track the B2 in non-combat conditions if you have the pilot's cell phone number.


I bet they get great reception up their too  :D
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 12:07:51 PM »
I bet they get great reception up their too  :D

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 01:51:53 PM »
That's just how the dar bar displays on the Canadia terrain.

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 05:15:07 PM »
It's easy to track the B2 in non-combat conditions if you have the pilot's cell phone number.



Or its transponder code/#.
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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 05:35:04 PM »
Using ambient emitters (eg, television stations, radio stations, etc) as the source in bistatic radar is a technique literally as old as radar.  The first British experiments used a BBC broadcast station as the source.  During the war the German parasit system used the British Chain-Home radars to track British bombers - the Germans figured that no matter how much the British jammed and windowed them, they'd never turn off Chain-Home.  They were right. 

And yes, it defeats stealth.  First because the receiver isn't where the emitter is, and so the stealth shaping is no longer redirecting the energy away from the receiver.  Second because most of those sources are lower frequency than the X-band ST radars stealth is designed around.  The lower frequencies "see" the whole aircraft, so the shaping is ineffective even with a monostatic system, and of course the skin is less absorptive at those freqs too.  The downside is that lower frequencies give you less localization, but they get you close enough that you can switch to other techniques.

Ambient sonar is also in widespread use.  Lots of ambient sources in the ocean - or even out of it.  Anything supersonic in the sky dumps a lot of energy into the water over a big area.  The must have been so sad when Concorde was grounded.  It was even on a regular schedule...

All supposedly secret too, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist.  You can get the math off wiki.

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Re: Mysterious radar echo over Easter lake Ontario
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 06:10:23 PM »
Hey, VC!  It's been a while, man!  Hope things get better for ya!

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