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Offline MrGeezer

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A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« on: December 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM »
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/wings_of_an_angel_m7W8NXNsFsgsqcf5YKPGzO

Not only a good historic read but also a good reason to question our everyday gameplay.

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 01:31:53 PM »
Awesome read, thanks for sharing :salute

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 01:43:37 PM »
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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 01:45:57 PM »
I was at the Reno Air Races, I  think it was mid 90's and saw the painting on display and met the artist. The artist told me that story and both pilots had signed the painting as well as him. He said they began meeting on Dec 2oth to commemorate that moment from the war. He also added that the Stigler had actually called off other German fighters and was truely escorting the American Bomber.

On your comment (I fly as Ted) I recently encountered three buffs rtb in our DAR, killed two and shot the last one up bad, i also took good hits. In the spirit of that, I told him on 200 that I am leaving, go ahead and land em. and I RTB'd. He thanked me and told me that he was missing serious pieces and was having fun just keep her flying not to mention trying to shoot at me. This is the second time I have done this. En-route to a field they all die if I can get em, RTB is usually a different story.

The only time I shoot a wounded fighter is if he has just picked or vulched one of ours, caught a few hits and is running or trying to ditch in our territory as we are fighting. I never shoot at one just killed by a teammate (spiraling down with no wing) and ask if a comrade or squadie needs help before getting involved, I consider a failure to reply is a yes, other wise get a mic :).

Those who loft over a friendly field vulching takeoffs (none base take scenario) and wounded rtb birds..... :(
Those who immediately on 200 call out, pawned, or some other self-serving self-gratifying statement :(  :(

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 01:59:09 PM »
I always enjoy reading about that encounter. Has to be my favorite story from WWII. I like to fly with that same code of honor that Rodel gave Stigler and will never shoot down a wounded bird.

One of my favorite moments in AHII was when I got into an intense fight with my K4 vs a Ki84 over TT. After a few turns and a good fight the Ki84 got half my wing. I was able to keep my plane flying but I looked back to see the Ki84 closing for the kill, or so I thought. As I sat there waiting to get pump full of holes I watch the Ki84 pull up in formation with me. He actually escorted me back to our vbase all the while a massive melee taking place over our heads with Rooks, Bish, and Knights. Once he knew I was out of harms way he waved his wings in salute and flew off.

 :salute To whoever that was, and other like him.

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 11:46:27 AM »
I always enjoy reading about that encounter. Has to be my favorite story from WWII. I like to fly with that same code of honor that Rodel gave Stigler and will never shoot down a wounded bird.

One of my favorite moments in AHII was when I got into an intense fight with my K4 vs a Ki84 over TT. After a few turns and a good fight the Ki84 got half my wing. I was able to keep my plane flying but I looked back to see the Ki84 closing for the kill, or so I thought. As I sat there waiting to get pump full of holes I watch the Ki84 pull up in formation with me. He actually escorted me back to our vbase all the while a massive melee taking place over our heads with Rooks, Bish, and Knights. Once he knew I was out of harms way he waved his wings in salute and flew off.

 :salute To whoever that was, and other like him.
Right On!!!! :salute
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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 02:05:35 PM »
I was at the Reno Air Races, I  think it was mid 90's and saw the painting on display and met the artist. The artist told me that story and both pilots had signed the painting as well as him. He said they began meeting on Dec 2oth to commemorate that moment from the war. He also added that the Stigler had actually called off other German fighters and was truely escorting the American Bomber.

On your comment (I fly as Ted) I recently encountered three buffs rtb in our DAR, killed two and shot the last one up bad, i also took good hits. In the spirit of that, I told him on 200 that I am leaving, go ahead and land em. and I RTB'd. He thanked me and told me that he was missing serious pieces and was having fun just keep her flying not to mention trying to shoot at me. This is the second time I have done this. En-route to a field they all die if I can get em, RTB is usually a different story.

The only time I shoot a wounded fighter is if he has just picked or vulched one of ours, caught a few hits and is running or trying to ditch in our territory as we are fighting. I never shoot at one just killed by a teammate (spiraling down with no wing) and ask if a comrade or squadie needs help before getting involved, I consider a failure to reply is a yes, other wise get a mic :).

Those who loft over a friendly field vulching takeoffs (none base take scenario) and wounded rtb birds..... :(
Those who immediately on 200 call out, pawned, or some other self-serving self-gratifying statement :(  :(

Everyone else <S>
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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 02:12:18 PM »
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/wings_of_an_angel_m7W8NXNsFsgsqcf5YKPGzO

Not only a good historic read but also a good reason to question our everyday gameplay.

ROX
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Offline tunnelrat

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 11:18:39 AM »
Definitely worth the read.

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 11:22:06 AM »
 :rock :rock :rock It was me!  :rock :rock :rock :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :old: :old:
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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 12:09:29 PM »
Good read.

Great story.

However...

This is a game, if your icon is red, I'm shooting your arse down.

Have a nice day  :D

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2012, 12:10:56 PM »
Mrgezzer, that was great.

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 12:18:28 PM »
Great story,  :salute

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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2012, 04:04:10 PM »
It is a disservice to use these men, who put their lives  on the line, to  justify actions in a game.. 
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Re: A True Story That Is Relevant To Our MA Today: Honor
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2012, 06:50:49 PM »
It is a disservice to use these men, who put their lives  on the line, to  justify actions in a game..  

Yes, this real-life story about an amazing act makes anything that goes on in this game insignificant by comparison. However, since this is a forum about Aces High game-play, I think the point about honor shouldn't be disregarded.  It is just another way of making the point of how ridiculous some of the behavior and animosity that exists, and is largely tolerated, in this game really is.

Here were two men, mortal enemies at the time, that shared a rare moment of humanity.  While again, insignificant by comparison, it is true that too frequently we lose sight of the fact that we are not really enemies, but members of the same gaming community.  We are simply competing against one another on the same field.  Too often the gamer’s desire to get the “name in lights” overwhelms the self-respect of knowing how you got it.  I, as a rather competitive person, fall victim to this all the time.  But I can speak from experience that the self-respect maintained by disengaging and saluting someone like Latrobe, so he can ditch his oiled 109F4 after putting up an amazing 3:1 fight, lasts much longer than the feeling of landing 10 kills from vulching a deacked field.

When I find myself succumbing to the emotions of the game, I try to remember the lesson I learned as a young athlete long ago: that in the end you should be able to look your opponent in the eye and shake their hand in mutual respect, whether in victory or defeat.

Saluting the foe who just shot you down or disengaging and telling the stricken opponent to “go land it” are certainly honorable acts that are worthy of discussing in the context of this game.
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