Chinese lands jets on first Carrier.

[alskahawk]

 It took the British about 20 years to work out the kinks in their carrier program. I'll bet that it doesn't take China that long. Since 2000 the Chinese has increased their military spending and their information gathering. While they may be our friends today they have ambitions that will bring them into conflict with the US. Some things that have happened in the past few years;
-US P3 Patrol plane emergeny lands in China, China held the crew and went through the plane. How much ASW secrets did they get from that P3? 
-Targeting a US orbiting satalite with a lazer.
-Spys...Don't know how many we have caught..But there are also the things they have done above board; buying US computer technology..At one point some of this was held up when the intellegence service (?) Congress (?) got suspicious as to what they why we were giving them technology. 

[titanic3]

This one sounds bitter...China has 2.5 billion soldiers....and no real logistical method of getting them anywhere in a hurry.  MacAuthur was correct....no one will ever win a land war in Asia so don't fight them there.  If you leave the Chinese alone, they'll leave everyone else alone.

Proof statement:  with all the economic success China is having, how many US citizens are applying for Chinese citizenship for the opportunities there? Yup...thought so....

You're joking...right?

[zack1234]

And while China is working on its first domestic carrier....the United States has already begun on its next class of carriers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford_class_aircraft_carrier

The Ford Class carriers to replace the Nimitz class carriers with the scheduled launch in 2013.  Still as large as the Nimitz class and still carry nearly twice as many planes as any other carrier in the world.  What will the Chinese do if they had to face a full complement of F35s?

But with these what if's...neither the United States nor China is dumb enough to go to war with each other.  They both rely heavily on each other.

Britain had just got rid of its only Aircraft carrier, Mr John Thomas of Big End Lane has stated he is willing to 1/1000 scale model of the Ark Royal which look at by a satilite
may fool the Reds.

[kilo2]

[Changeup]

You're joking...right?

No, I'm not.  Please tell us the last war the Chinese started.  Korea doesn't count because the North and the South had been at each others throats since WWII

[GScholz]

Still think it is borderline paranoia to think the Chinese are infiltrating the U.S. Navy to learn how to shuffle aircraft on deck. This information is much easier obtained from the Russians or Indians, or even ex-U.S. Navy personnel who need the money to cover gambling debts or drug habits.

[Mace2004]

Still think it is borderline paranoia to think the Chinese are infiltrating the U.S. Navy to learn how to shuffle aircraft on deck. This information is much easier obtained from the Russians or Indians, or even ex-U.S. Navy personnel who need the money to cover gambling debts or drug habits.

So, you take an interesting observation and turn it into "infiltration" and "borderline paranoia? If they are doing what's reported it isn't espionage, it isn't even illegal. It's really not much different than foreign students that are sponsored by their country and sent to the US for college for the sole purpose of returning with their training and education. The Chinese (and many others) have been doing it for years. Also, don't forget that many countries have, and still are, receiving training from the US officially. Yamamoto went to Harvard. We trained all of the Iranian pilots up until the Shaw's overthrow and still train the Saudi pilots. We're even training the Lebanese Armed Forces right now.  Chinese enlisting in the US Navy doesn't even require you to stretch your imagination.

[Karnak]

Chinese enlisting in the US Navy doesn't even require you to stretch your imagination.

For the stated purpose it does as that information is readily available without any of the hassle.  If you wanted to say they are joining and becoming naval aviators in order to get experience in landing on and taking off from carriers, that might be more believable, but I think we'd have had reports of a Chinese nationals serving as naval aviators in the United States Navy.

[Ack-Ack]

No, I'm not.  Please tell us the last war the Chinese started.  Korea doesn't count because the North and the South had been at each others throats since WWII

The Sino-Indian War of 1962 when China started a border war with India and the Third Indochina War of 1979 when China invaded northern Vietnam to force Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia. 

ack-ack

[Changeup]

The Sino-Indian War of 1962 when China started a border war with India and the Third Indochina War of 1979 when China invaded northern Vietnam.

ack-ack

I asked for an example of a war, not a border conflict that lasted a month that included a ChiCom withdraw that was quicker than the "invasion"  SinoIND was about Kashmir...a futily contested area by the Pakkis, Indians and ChiCom.  The Chinese would have run the board on the Indians and didn't. An attack yes, war, no.

3IC was payback to the Vietnamese for pushing Laos and Cambodia around after the US lost and left.  There were reasons that we can at least agree with:  ChiComs helped the N Vietnamese against us but when ethnic Chinese began getting tortured and expelled from Vietnam, the ChiComs took exception.  A decent example of a reprisal attack.  I'm guessing you used Wikipedia, lmao!

Why not list Taiwan?  Provacative boat sinkings?  Shooting down US surv aircraft?  Unprovocated war....you have nothing.  Come on ACK...weak.

[Ack-Ack]

I asked for an example of a war, not a border conflict that lasted a month that included a ChiCom withdraw that was quicker than the "invasion"  SinoIND was about Kashmir...a futily contested area by the Pakkis, Indians and ChiCom.  The Chinese would have run the board on the Indians and didn't. An attack yes, war, no.

3IC was payback to the Vietnamese for pushing Laos and Cambodia around after the US lost and left.  There were reasons that we can at least agree with:  ChiComs helped the N Vietnamese against us but when ethnic Chinese began getting tortured and expelled from Vietnam, the ChiComs took exception.  A decent example of a reprisal attack.  I'm guessing you used Wikipedia, lmao!

Why not list Taiwan?  Provacative boat sinkings?  Shooting down US surv aircraft?  Unprovocated war....you have nothing.  Come on ACK...weak.

You're just moving the goal posts now because someone showed you to be wrong. 

ack-ack

[guncrasher]

China is the largest manufacturing power on Earth.

It is the most populated.

Sure, they may only build a Carrier that is only 1/2 or 3/4 as good as the USA.

But given time and money, both of which they have, they can build twice as many.

didnt the german said during ww2 that "their tanks were so superior to the americans that it took 3 allied tanks to kill 1 german?  the problem was that the allied always seem to have 5 around".


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[titanic3]

No, I'm not.  Please tell us the last war the Chinese started.  Korea doesn't count because the North and the South had been at each others throats since WWII

If you've payed any attention to the Southeast Asian news over the past months, you would see that China is trying to rename the area east of Vietnam and West of the Phillipines the "South China Sea". I don't know where they got the idea that it belonged to them when the two closest countries are Vietnam, Malaysia and the Phillipines..



Trying to take over a body of water doesn't sound like they're "leaving everyone alone".
You probably also haven't heard of Chinese pirates robbing Vietnamese fishing boats in their own coastline.
Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines have all had disputes with China within the past 2 years.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/110614/south-china-sea-china-vs-vietnam

Remind you of anything?

[Changeup]

You're just moving the goal posts now because someone showed you to be wrong. 

ack-ack

A predictable retort from someone who answered the question outside of the spirit in which it was asked so needs the claim of a rule change for his weak response...how destitute.   Moving the goal posts wouldn't have mattered because your kick got blocked.

[guncrasher]

If you've payed any attention to the Southeast Asian news over the past months, you would see that China is trying to rename the area east of Vietnam and West of the Phillipines the "South China Sea". I don't know where they got the idea that it belonged to them when the two closest countries are Vietnam, Malaysia and the Phillipines..

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Trying to take over a body of water doesn't sound like they're "leaving everyone alone".
You probably also haven't heard of Chinese pirates robbing Vietnamese fishing boats in their own coastline.
Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines have all had disputes with China within the past 2 years.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/110614/south-china-sea-china-vs-vietnam

Remind you of anything?

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wasnt it always called the south china sea?

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