New Bombs (Two SBD's or B5N's Can Now Destroy a Shore Battery!)

[SmokinLoon]

For purposes of the game, compared to a GP bomb of the same weight the new bombs do the following:
 
HC or LC bombs do 75% damage on a direct hit and have 125% of the blast radius.  [think more TNT but less shrapnel]
SAP bombs do 125% damage on direct hits and have 33% of the blast radius. [think less TNT but harder shell = more penetration before detonation]
AP bombs do 150% damage on direct hits and have 20% of the blast radius. [think even harder shell and even less TNT before detonation]


So in other words:
The AP/SAP are better for taking out single OBJ like the shore battery and hangers. The HC/LC bombs are better for creating large swaths of destroyed buildings in the towns and factories where the OBJ's are have a 312 lb hardness.

In case if anyone is looking for a "new again old plane", the SDB now is able to carry a 1600 lb AP bomb and the B5N a 800kg AP bomb.  Do the math and you'll see that a pair of them are able to destroy a shore battery.    Talk about new life for an original AH model!  

I think this will be be a good thing.  

I'm surprised that the 190F-8 did not get new ordnance, I'd figure it would get the 500kg SAP.  Speaking of which, I'm hoping the 190F-8 gets the 8/50kg option sometime soon!  

[Babalonian]

I am going to leave early to "finish my christmas ligths before the sun goes down".  After I update, put the B-29s in auto-climb, go finish the lights, and come back to test out the new, versatile, ordnances.   

[Noir]

so with AP bombs you can kill a hangar with 1800lb or so

Would it be possible to kill a hangar with a 190F8 now?

[Babalonian]

so with AP bombs you can kill a hangar with 1800lb or so

Would it be possible to kill a hangar with a 190F8 now?

Let me think, 500kg+50kg(4) = 700kg(1.25) = 875kg(~2.2) = 1,925lbs... Enough for a BH/FH and a small bunker or two. 

Or, get this with the 125% AP bonus - 1,000lb(2) = 2,500lbs, freeing up rockets and gun straffing for other targets than following up on a single VH.   

[SmokinLoon]

Whoa fellas... don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch.  There are fewer planes than you think that carry AP and SAP bombs.  Take a run up and down the plane set list and you'll see that there are a select few aircraft that are able to mount AP and SAP bombs.  From memory, the B5N, D3A, SBD, G4M, Ju87D, and a few others can carry the AP bomb.  The Me410 and Ju87D are the only ones I remember to be able to carry the SAP, and the Lancaster and Mossi are the only 2 lucky birds to be able to drop the HC bomb (4000 lb cookie).

I think over time HTC will discover more aircraft than they currently have not only were able but did carry AP/SAP bombs on a regular basis, and the 190F-8 comes to mind immediately.   

[Karnak]

I think over time HTC will discover more aircraft than they currently have not only were able but did carry AP/SAP bombs on a regular basis, and the 190F-8 comes to mind immediately.   

On the other hand not all loadouts, even common ones, get modeled.  I am thinking that HTC may be using the AP, SAP and HC bombs to give purpose to strike aircraft.  If AP and SAP bombs get handed out willy nilly to fighters it removes that effect.

[Stampf]

On the other hand not all loadouts, even common ones, get modeled.  I am thinking that HTC may be using the AP, SAP and HC bombs to give purpose to strike aircraft.  If AP and SAP bombs get handed out willy nilly to fighters it removes that effect.

What do you think the 190F-8 is?  It's a striker.

[SmokinLoon]

On the other hand not all loadouts, even common ones, get modeled.  I am thinking that HTC may be using the AP, SAP and HC bombs to give purpose to strike aircraft.  If AP and SAP bombs get handed out willy nilly to fighters it removes that effect.

I see the importance of now having every aircraft the ability to arm themselves with specialty ordnance, I certainly see new value in the SBD.    However, allowing the 190F-8 the ability to carry the 250 and 500 kg SAP bombs (as well as the 8/50kg GP bombs), would separate it from the other three 190's.  As it currently stand, it really only offers the 12 ant-armor Pb1 rockets and nothing more (save for the 4/50kg GP bombs) than the other three 190 models, it is the ugly ducking of 190's for it's only real value is the anti-armor role (and it is not easy to use in that role, either).

The second thing I did was to check and see if the P51's had AP bombs (I was happy to see they didn't).  The first thing I did was check the 190F-8 and I was a bit disappointed.    

[Stampf]

I see the importance of now having every aircraft the ability to arm themselves with specialty ordnance, I certainly see new value in the SBD.    However, allowing the 190F-8 the ability to carry the 250 and 500 kg SAP bombs (as well as the 8/50kg GP bombs), would separate it from the other three 190's.  As it currently stand, it really only offers the 12 ant-armor Pb1 rockets and nothing more (save for the 4/50kg GP bombs) than the other three 190 models, it is the ugly ducking of 190's for it's only real value is the anti-armor role (and it is not easy to use in that role, either).

The second thing I did was to check and see if the P51's had AP bombs (I was happy to see they didn't).  The first thing I did was check the 190F-8 and I was a bit disappointed.    

Ditto.

[fbEagle]

still no napalm... 

[Karnak]

Yeah, I checked the P-51D right off as well. 

I am not opposed to the idea of the Fw190F-8 getting SAP bombs.  I just don't want to see every fighter that carried AP or SAP bombs on occasion to get them as an option.  I want the B5N, D3A, Ju87 and SBD-5 to have more of a role and not simply to be overshadowed so totally by the late war fighters.

[Stampf]

Yeah, I checked the P-51D right off as well. 

I am not opposed to the idea of the Fw190F-8 getting SAP bombs.  I just don't want to see every fighter that carried AP or SAP bombs on occasion to get them as an option.  I want the B5N, D3A, Ju87 and SBD-5 to have more of a role and not simply to be overshadowed so totally by the late war fighters.

Agreed...and I know how much you hate 190's and those who fly them but...the F-8 is not a fighter.  It never sortied in a fighter role.  It was a dedicated tank and bridge buster.

Didn't expect any upgrades on the 190 seeing as we can't even get the tail wheel fixed.  Oh I'm sounding more like Schlowey every post...

[Karnak]

Agreed...and I know how much you hate 190's and those who fly them but...the F-8 is not a fighter.  It never sortied in a fighter role.  It was a dedicated tank and bridge buster.

Didn't expect any upgrades on the 190 seeing as we can't even get the tail wheel fixed.  Oh I'm sounding more like Schlowey every post...

I don't hate the Fw190 or those who fly it.  The Fw190A-5 is one of the fighters on my very short favorites list.

If you look at my posting history I have been advocating for something to give strike aircraft a reason for existing rather than just playing fourth fiddle to the late war fighters, particularly the American late war fighters.  When I saw this comment from SmokingLoon "I think over time HTC will discover more aircraft than they currently have not only were able but did carry AP/SAP bombs on a regular basis," it seemed the kind of thing that leads to constant wishlist requests for AP or SAP bombs for the P-51D, P-47N and F4U-1D.  That is what I am arguing against.

Currently the only fighter to carry special bombs is the Me410.  The Fw190F-8 would make sense as well.  I can't think of any others that I would like to see getting AP or SAP bombs though, certainly none of the American or British fighters.

[Crash Orange]

still no napalm... 

Napalm would be great if you could drop it on running troops and make them run in circles on fire. Can't see much other use for it in this game.

[SmokinLoon]

I don't hate the Fw190 or those who fly it.  The Fw190A-5 is one of the fighters on my very short favorites list.

If you look at my posting history I have been advocating for something to give strike aircraft a reason for existing rather than just playing fourth fiddle to the late war fighters, particularly the American late war fighters.  When I saw this comment from SmokingLoon "I think over time HTC will discover more aircraft than they currently have not only were able but did carry AP/SAP bombs on a regular basis," it seemed the kind of thing that leads to constant wishlist requests for AP or SAP bombs for the P-51D, P-47N and F4U-1D.  That is what I am arguing against.

Currently the only fighter to carry special bombs is the Me410.  The Fw190F-8 would make sense as well.  I can't think of any others that I would like to see getting AP or SAP bombs though, certainly none of the American or British fighters.

The Stuka D was given an overhaul of its ord, too.  Previously to this update it was not able to carry 3/250kg bombs, now it can.  Also, it too can carry the German SAP bombs.  As far as the 190F-8 goes, I'm going to dig into a few sources but I know I've read of it carrying SAP/AP bombs for hammering hardened targets.  I'm also really hoping HTC will give it the ability to mount 4/50kg bombs under the fuselage for a total of 8/50kg bombs.  There is a photo of that somewhere here in the forums.  I hope others can present some of the info and pics, I'm sure there are other fans of the 190F-8 out there.