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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2012, 09:31:48 AM »
see I am right sometimes :lol

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Re: These Things
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 10:09:49 AM »
Bustr: makes no difference of unit.

1 ft at 1000ft = 1 mil

1 meter at 1000 meter = 1 mill.

1 yard at 1000 yard = 1 mill.

1 mile at 1000 miles = 1 mill.


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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2012, 12:07:20 PM »
Bustr: makes no difference of unit.

1 ft at 1000ft = 1 mil

1 meter at 1000 meter = 1 mill.

1 yard at 1000 yard = 1 mill.

1 mile at 1000 miles = 1 mill.


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The ratio of mills to 1's may as well be the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprachauns with this bunch.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2012, 04:41:51 PM »
Bustr: makes no difference of unit.

1 ft at 1000ft = 1 mil

1 meter at 1000 meter = 1 mill.

1 yard at 1000 yard = 1 mill.

1 mile at 1000 miles = 1 mill.


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Thank you,

In that case the rangeing gunsight I built for the B25H to shoot CV out to 4K wasen't a fluke, the 5inch gunners were on their game when I used it on-line. Or the Mil ramp for the Me410 5 B,K to hit bombers out to 2.5K. I've been using meters and centemeters in my angular mil calc. By the way thank you for the update to the offline target. I needed that to verify my calculations.

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2012, 04:42:59 PM »
a milliradian is 1/6283 of a circle, approximately.  Or 1/(pi()*2000) to be exact

A military (or artillery mil) is 1/6400 of a circle.  Which is close enough for a fire mission...


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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2012, 05:40:55 PM »
a. - 1 to 1000

or

b. - 1 to 1018.6

I wonder if he uses (a.) beyond the gunsight optical distance relationships when he calculates the fixed sight line from the corrected projectil pattern after the bore line is set by the player in the convergence area of the hanger? It's probably something simpler describing the relationship of the visual line to the ballistic pattern out to the fixed distance at which the rounds stop patterning on the offline target.

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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2012, 06:33:08 PM »
The ratio of mills to 1's may as well be the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprachauns with this bunch.

thanks,  :aok when you put it like that it makes sence
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2012, 10:55:22 PM »
You would be surprised how much having an active 1=1000 Mil unit is usefull in gunnery. My first calculations for a 2k mark in my Revi16 for the 5 B,K was spot on. I have a copy of the AAF 75mm gunnery chart to 5k.

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3000ft, 250IAS, 8.74sec, -980ft, 5000yd

CV = aprox 33.38 m long.

1 @ 1000 = ??



The A1 bombing head with the 14 degree adjustment in the B25H was adjusted based on alt and speed to fire at shipping from 4k away. The copilot read off a plotting chart for the pilot. How do you determin range by the target ship? How do you determin loft to place the 75mm round 4k down range? It's about -50Mil to shoot 4k and -71Mil to shoot 5k. CV is 9Mil at 4k and 7Mil at 5k. How far will the ship travel in 6.87-8.74 sec?

With a chart of time, distance and drop at distance. Knowing the size of your target you can generate a Mil chart for your gunsight in the game. Oh thats that 1=1000 unit. Or build a gunsight with a Mil gradient to assist you in determining the range to the target and asmuth to fire with.

Hey this is just a kiddy game. Kentucky windage is all you need. The CV is the width of your thumb about 2k. The 5inch gunners in the fleet will enjoy your efforts while you Picasso your way to glory. Using your thumb used to be a way to copy scale in the early days of perspecitve painting. Early 1=1000 units.

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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
*cough*bageltiger*cough*



I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about..........um I was late cuz there was a flood....I mean a hurricane......I mean I got robbed......




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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2012, 02:58:14 PM »
I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about..........um I was late cuz there was a flood....I mean a hurricane......I mean I got robbed......




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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2012, 03:21:27 PM »
INK,

Just use your thumb. If we gave you a slide rule, no one would ever be a match for you in ACM. At least with your thumb you have a few bad days a year.
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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2012, 03:53:55 PM »
INK,

Just use your thumb. If we gave you a slide rule, no one would ever be a match for you in ACM. At least with your thumb you have a few bad days a year.

haha I wish......I have a few good days

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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2012, 04:29:29 PM »
I'll sit down and tell all of my broken planes that. Sorry boys we just found INK on his 3 good days this year. And my broken planes will probably reply: Yeah, biblical 3 days. Yeppers, his biblical days are 4 months long you fool.

INK, thats three fingers. I just got done counting them..............
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2012, 01:52:27 PM »
I'll sit down and tell all of my broken planes that. Sorry boys we just found INK on his 3 good days this year. And my broken planes will probably reply: Yeah, biblical 3 days. Yeppers, his biblical days are 4 months long you fool.

INK, thats three fingers. I just got done counting them..............

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