Inteitllional kill in FSO

[Sunka]

I was going threw logs...lots of accounts of friendly fire,not that that is what happend to you,but I'm just saying.
And don't let games make you mad.
 

[Shifty]

Valk, you're not the first person to get upset over an incendent during an FSO frame and you won't be the last. Having to wait a week to fly a frame and having it cut short only to find yourself having to wait another week is something that all of us go through. I certainly understand your frustration, and I don't believe for one minute you would seriously go hunting friendlies. Its just the frustration talking. The bad FSO frames somehow make the good ones that much sweeter when they happen. Get a good night's sleep regroup and everything will be in better focus tomorrow.

 

[CAP1]

Bottom line unless this is fixed there is no reason to fly FSO. 1K below the bombers after killing a ki 61 600yrd away. A bomber gunner took direct aim at me and pulled the trigger.
  Unless this person is punished there may or may not be reprisals in future FSO's. This may infact be the end of FSO. I will never fly near a bomber I don't entend to kill ever again. Flying for 50 min is no fun to have ended because someone is bored and decides to have some fun at aonthers expense.

 valkryie.......send the film clip of this incident to any of the cm's. squire would be first choice, but any of us will make sure a film clip gets to him.

[Wiley]

So, yeah, based on the timing of events last night, it was probably me.  Sorry if I hit you, your reaction makes me less sorry.

Here's how I saw it.  Ki61 coming in, 600 yards out.  2 friendlies on him looked to be about 4-500 yards behind him.  The KI was pulling up into me.  I had a pretty clear angle on him from my view, what I believe might have happened is I was zoomed in on my gunsight and the angle got low without me noticing it, putting a steeper angle on my bullet stream than I thought.  What I thought I had was 2 friendlies pulling up behind a KI that was getting ready to fire.

In any case, sorry it happened, it was an honest mistake.

Wiley.

[Sunka]

So, yeah, based on the timing of events last night, it was probably me.  Sorry if I hit you, your reaction makes me less sorry.

Here's how I saw it.  Ki61 coming in, 600 yards out.  2 friendlies on him looked to be about 4-500 yards behind him.  The KI was pulling up into me.  I had a pretty clear angle on him from my view, what I believe might have happened is I was zoomed in on my gunsight and the angle got low without me noticing it, putting a steeper angle on my bullet stream than I thought.  What I thought I had was 2 friendlies pulling up behind a KI that was getting ready to fire.

In any case, sorry it happened, it was an honest mistake.

Wiley.

No worries Wiley,one of my squaddies got assest on two of my other squaddies,it happens.You just got the player that was on meltdown.

[xJUGGOx]

Not to mention we had to drones that were firing at the same time probably. I know how you feel friendly fire cost me two B29s. Plus I always thought rule of thumb was " Don't saddle up on a buff's 6"

Me being the CO and BG lead I can tell you there was NO INTENTIONAL friendly fire. Since Wiley was at my 2 oc position when this happend.

VMF-222 Doesn't  play like that. If any other questions are needing to be asked you can direct them to me.

propguymike@yahoo.com

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[mbailey]

No worries Wiley,one of my squaddies got assest on two of my other squaddies,it happens.You just got the player that was on meltdown.

Couple of years ago I killed my entire squad sitting OTR waiting to launch for FSO after "fields open" was called...... I got there last minute and didnt hear CO say we were going slick, My Jug (i think) had bombs and rockets on it. Dumped them while sitting OTR........Good news was i got the most kills out of every Allied pilot that frame......bad news was to this day Tigg3r and my other Blind Bat brethren wont let me live it down    

[CAP1]

would it make anyone feel better if i told you all that i shot cutt last night? and viper61 back in the last bob set\up? didn't kill em though........

[Valkyrie]

I am curious what am I suppose to think.

I followed a Ki through the bomber stream and was not hit. I could understand if I was. What I don't understand is that after I was through to the bombers low 12:00 1k or more away with the bad guy beyond me going down with a wing missing I am hit as I pull up into the bomber stream. A squaddie calls out, " It must have been a bomber because no one was near you.". Pulling up away 30-40 degrees nose the other way from the downed Ki. What would you think? Really? A fighter going down you coming up giving a perfect planform target to your friendly buffs 6-800 yrds behind. I would like an explanation. I didn't accuse Wiley, I just said I suspected based on the log time stamp.

Supposedly there are some films of this floating around. So maybe we can get an answer. I really don't understand the absolute vitriol that has been spewed here on the fourms.

[xJUGGOx]

The only thing I can think of is your FE or his FE had a lag of some sort. We were actually talking about how last frame a lot of people's frame rates dropped and was a little choppy near the buffs when we engaged the Ki's

[Valkyrie]

That might explain it. But that would have been almost a 20 sec lag. I was rock solid on brand new gear. In fact it was my first time in a stream with no jumping. Everything looked perfect on my end. However that might explain it as the shooters relative positions are the ones used. Any way I assumed it was intentional as the buffs would have had a near perfect shot yet long range for 50's ie large planform shotm closing range.

I wouldn't have thought a bomber would take a wing off 1K+ no ping. It was a hell of a shot from my perspective. I have been hit by friendly buffs before. But never like that.

[xJUGGOx]

To me you looked closer, and don't forget the tail also has a single 20mm with the .50's

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[Valkyrie]

I thought I was out in front and the hit came from a nose gun.

[xJUGGOx]

Could of been but from my FE you looked like on his his 6 that's why I sad "Don't saddle up on a buffs 6"

Regardless of where you were I will say sorry that it happend and I reiterate there was no intentional friendly fire.
I have been flying with 85% of my guys for a long time between this sim and another sim and if one of my guys did it they will say yup I did it.

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[daddog]

In all the years of FSO this has never happened to me.

You have been around longer than most. Would be a shame to toss the baby out with the bath water.

Sometimes, it is best to focus on one part of the reply and call it good.

In any case, sorry it happened, it was an honest mistake.