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Re: Gun sales today...pretty amazing...
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2012, 11:54:03 AM »
Because this kind of stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u-P0c8HJf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcNajSEwmx8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29evY77S13M


Is fun.   :D



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Re: Gun sales today...pretty amazing...
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2012, 01:16:29 PM »
I'm a card toting member of the NRA...and not trying to pass judgment , but just for my own wonder , why do people need multiple clips (not a couple) I mean like 6 or 7 or 10....?
 
If the AR is for home defense , isn't there a better choice out there to defend your castle?
 
If it's for hunting , are you shooting a HERD all at once? Or limiting out in 10 minutes? and if so what's left to eat after the massacre?
 
If it's for fun to just take to the range and blow off a buncha rounds , what is the cost of that? How many rounds do people shoot?
 
I been hunting alot of my life....I own guns....one for home invasion issues and the others for hunting....An AR15 to hunt with might be all well and good...I have a 223 that I hunt with some....but pulling the trigger more than once hasn't really presented itself to me in all my years of hunting deer...If I missed the deer was usually gone so fast that spraying and prayinig wouldn't be a good idea.

Personally, I think its a good idea to have a weapon that you can essentially turn into your personal battle-rifle, incase something goes down. Not for protection against "de guvmint  :noid", but primarily incase some calamity happens that causes looting and what not. That way, you can fight your way out of the trouble if you absolutely have to.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2012, 01:22:26 PM »
Personally, I think its a good idea to have a weapon that you can essentially turn into your personal battle-rifle, incase something goes down. Not for protection against "de guvmint  :noid", but primarily incase some calamity happens that causes looting and what not. That way, you can fight your way out of the trouble if you absolutely have to.

I really do not subscribe to any particular doomsday scenarios, but I have always believed that civil unrest from some type of disaster or another is a very real situation that could arise. 

Leave a large number of people without power, fuel or other resources and folks start to lose their minds and civility...
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2012, 01:40:58 PM »
Sigh.  It was an example.  Honest or not, it was against the forum posting rules.  The rules do not include, "It is okay to violate the rules if you are honest" clause.  You also violated rule #5.

It is not "my line".  It is the forum posting rules one should be concerned with.

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Re: Gun sales today...pretty amazing...
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2012, 01:48:45 PM »
I really do not subscribe to any particular doomsday scenarios, but I have always believed that civil unrest from some type of disaster or another is a very real situation that could arise. 

Leave a large number of people without power, fuel or other resources and folks start to lose their minds and civility...



"Human beings turn feral in less than 24hr's...." is a common quote to that very situation Von, and I agree.



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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2012, 01:49:36 PM »
Well , the pawn shop in town was sold out of all most all there hand  gun's . Had a few junk gun's left and that was it  and every one was buying handgun ammo like mad . I had to stand in line and after 30 years of buying from them that was the first time I had to wait .
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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2012, 02:04:19 PM »
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Well y'know, I'm an infantry soldier.  I've fired machineguns, mortars, heavy anti-tank weapons, pistols, most types of assault rifles, sniper rifles, grenade launchers - pretty much if you can lift it by yourself, I've pulled the trigger on it.  I'm a qualified marksman, qualified CQB, and was provincial champion as a teenager.  So I'm pretty comfortable with weapons.

I still vividly recall the first time I went down to the gun show to buy something to target shoot with.  I got a beautiful 1919 Mauser made by Carl Gustav, mint condition.  It was a true work of craftmanship, they simply don't make them like that anymore.  Every single part had the serial number and the Carl Gustav crown stamped on it, by hand, to signify that it had passed Carl Gustav standards.  I mean, the sight slider had the serial number and crown.  The little lever that releases the sight slider had the serial number and crown, the firing pin, the sling attachments, even the screws had the crown (they were too small for the serial number).  It was beautifully accurate too.  I once bet a friend I could hit a paintball at 100 metres, and won.  I loved it.  So again, I'm pretty comfortable with weapons.

And yet - I also still vividly recall looking at some of the people at that gun show, looking at the stuff they were buying, up to and including belt fed machine-guns.  (And this is Canada we're talking about.  Despite what you may have heard, gun laws here are no obstacle to owning whatever firepower happens to turn you on).  I saw a guy showing off photos of his high-tech arsenal the way most guys show off pictures of their kids.  "This thing is better than porno," he said, referring to one of the eight (yes, eight) hunting knives he had strapped to himself at the time.

Why did he want this stuff?  I dunno why, but as he was just about the weasliest, greasiest, ineffectual wannabe I've seen in my life, even before he pulled out his slide-show, so I'd guess some form of compensation for his total lack of effective masculinity was a key factor.  I'd have handed my beautiful Mauser over to be melted down in an instant if it meant this guy had to hand his stuff over too.  I would be totally unsurprised to read in the news one morning that he'd taken out twenty random innocents in his last pathetic attempt to get noticed.  Or that he'd been caught molesting little girls in the playground. Or... well, pretty much anything.  He was seriously creepy.

Of course Canada hasn't had a school-shooting incident in twenty years, so presumably he's still down in his mom's basement, masturbating over the latest issue of Soldier of Fortune and harming no-one, yet another upstanding example of the responsible gun owner.  I've met a few others like him since then, and none of them have gone postal either.  That doesn't make me comfy with the knowledge that they're out there oiling their glocks.  Not one bit.

I'm not here to weigh in on the US gun control issue on either side - it's not my nation.  I don't have a way to prevent the next school shooting.  I do know some people want weapons for the wrong reasons.

You and I sir, are not only from the same Nation, but of the same mind.  I've worked in firearms training since I was in my teens, and I've always held to the joke (it's almost not a joke any longer) that 50 percent of the Canadians I see using firearms are either completely unaware of how unsafe and unskilled they are, OR complete goofballs like the guy in your story, who live in moms basement with their SKS and other crappy Chinese made stuff available here with goofy folding stocks and fifty dollar red dot sights, and pride themselves on how switched on they are.  Trying to balance business and vetting potentially "goofball" types from the training courses we offered at SigArms Academy isn't always easy.  There are background checks done for certain courses, and some of them you can only take if you are military/police, or in some cases private security after being checked out.  

You mentioned  you competed in shooting as a kid - in what discipline?  I was c-carded for the junior olympics shooting team for trap shooting back in the 80's when I was young, it was the first serious shooting training I received and participated in, and then I trained with Biathlon Alberta as well.   Were you by chance into either of those?


Also, I agree with VonMessa 100%.  I know everyone likes to break out the "tin foil hat" accusations whenever anyone talks about some sort of calamity, but I've worked in Africa, the Mid-east, and visited the Balkans after the troubles there, and worked with many guys who were present in Sarajevo during the first sieges there. I bet a year or two in any of these countries, before they were having to defend their family, drinking water, and food with rifles they may have made jokes about paranoid people too.  It can't be overstated that when all of a sudden ATM cards don't work, the power is off, and the shelves are cleaned out at every store, how quickly people turn to thievery and banditry in order to secure the supplies they need in order to survive.  Personally, I'd prefer to be prepared, and that requires having multiple high capacity magazines for every firearm you intend to use.  The reasons given for ease of range use in terms of pre loading, as well as training/stoppage drills and the like are all extremely valid as well, but as anyone on this BBS who has witnessed or participated in armed conflict, having ready to hand magazines in quantity is just a given.  Of course, you can debate for hours on the number, be it 4, 6, 8, 16, whatever - but the fact that more then 2 or 3 is required is generally agreed upon among armed professionals, at least with the primary rifle.  Even a secondary weapon like a pistol, at least 2 extra high capacity magazines for emergency/tac/whatever reloads and malfunction drills are required.  So, as to the OP question, the Ar-15 is primarily a close to mid range defensive tool, a very popular and effective one, and in order for it to be employed properly in a situation where one may face multiple armed threats at various ranges in various cover, with who knows what for armor and protection, a large amount of ammunition carried in high capacity magazines is absolutely essential.

This certainly isn't some new wave in the firearms world either.  Look at how many extra magazines Bonnie and Clyde were found with, just for the Browning BAR semi auto rifles they had, a weapon of similar capability to the "Ar15", semi auto and magazine fed, and popular in the civilian world of that day.  Yes they were criminals, but it doesn't change the fact that they were expecting to be in combat with their firearms, and were prepared accordingly for it.
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Re: Gun sales today...pretty amazing...
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2012, 02:05:24 PM »
Peace, Skuzzy. It was not my intention to push the boundaries or otherwise violate the forum rules. My apologies, if I caused offense.

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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2012, 02:11:33 PM »
23 guns went out the door today at my store, 16 of them being AR-style weapons.

For hunting, the only reason to get a .223/5.56 would be for small game...coyote...varmint etc. We have some ARs in .308, those sold too.

See, I don't get the logic within the last couple of years and with the .223 AR-15s popularity in the private/civi market... it has to be for "style" - either you like it or fear not being able to get it at some point in the future... now a .308 or 7.62, that I can actualy USE for hunting or defense AND make some nice holes in cans/targets all day without breaking the bank.


This is an interesting discussion, I hope so long as people keep the strength and restraint up it won't get locked.


A lot here seem to have a first-hand, I'm more curious about handgun sales as a whole this week - are they up, who's buying, are they looking for information/education and/or purely aquirement?
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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2012, 02:20:37 PM »
It's next to impossible to address this question without violating forum rules.  A big  :salute to Skuzzy for even allowing us to try.

Aside from those unmentionable reasons, the most obvious and practical is more trigger time when you're actually at the range. Training with, handling, and shooting your weapon is the only way to become proficient - and proficiency is the only way to be as safe as you can be said weapon.

 
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2012, 02:27:04 PM »
Personally, I'm not panicing. I don't believe the government is "going to come after me" and I'm not a Doomsday Prepper. I can do just fine hunting and defending myself with the guns I have. If semi-autos are outlawed it will only affect 1 pistol I own and I can replace that easily. Nobody needs a semi-automatic gun with a 30 round magazine unless they are in the military. Anyone else that thinks they do are certifiably nuts.
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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2012, 02:42:05 PM »
Nobody needs a semi-automatic gun with a 30 round magazine unless they are in the military. Anyone else that thinks they do are certifiably nuts.

I encourage you to explore what a "need" is before passing judgement on the mental status of people you've never met.   :aok
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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2012, 02:49:12 PM »
The AR as a home defense weapon –
There are, in my opinion, better choices, but who am I to say?  I’d think a pump-action shotgun or pistol would be a better choice, but it comes down to what you’re comfortable with. 

The AR is a terrible home defense weapon. Your instincts to go with a shotgun or pistol are closer to what people need. In the country where I live anything goes because a two-mile shot is not likely to hit anyone. Neighborhood living and especially apartment living is a place where AR defense weapons should be illegal and especially AK defense weapons and I think you can pick up on why. In defending your home in those environments the high power rounds will punch right through walls and kill your neighbors. The shotgun is a much better choice.
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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2012, 02:58:24 PM »
See, I don't get the logic within the last couple of years and with the .223 AR-15s popularity in the private/civi market... it has to be for "style" - either you like it or fear not being able to get it at some point in the future... now a .308 or 7.62, that I can actualy USE for hunting or defense AND make some nice holes in cans/targets all day without breaking the bank.

The AR-15 is often associated with high accuracy for a semi-auto, and pretty high accuracy period, isn't it? If I had to guess, its mostly ignorant people thinking that a cheap-built AR style rifle will be more accurate than a well-made rifle of some other type, just because its AR style.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2012, 03:21:48 PM »
The AR is a terrible home defense weapon. Your instincts to go with a shotgun or pistol are closer to what people need. In the country where I live anything goes because a two-mile shot is not likely to hit anyone. Neighborhood living and especially apartment living is a place where AR defense weapons should be illegal and especially AK defense weapons and I think you can pick up on why. In defending your home in those environments the high power rounds will punch right through walls and kill your neighbors. The shotgun is a much better choice.

Agreed, Chalenge. Frangible rounds are one way to mitigate that of course.  I don't have any experience with them, but understand what they are and are supposed to do. I don't know if something like drywall would stop them (i.e. prevent next-room-over collateral injury/death), but would I think avoid killing anyone accidentally in the house next door or across the street.
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