One LW tour with HO turned off

[Gryffin]

One tour Griff? That's too much to ask. I must ask then, what is it about the HO that has you vehemently defending not allowing even just one tour where they are off???

I am not trying to be a smart ass. I truly believe that is a bad idea for these reasons:

1. If you make it so that bullet hits don't count for certain target angles, then you are introducing fake physics into the arena, which I am strongly against

2. Not only are head on shots INCREDIBLY easy to avoid with a bit of practice at lead turns, but the advantage you can gain at the first pass against someone who is intent on take a head on shot is enormous. Why on earth would you ever want to remove that advantage? That makes no sense to me at all. Wouldn't you want people to continue to try to take head on shots so that you can make a well timed lead turn at the first pass and get an advantage on them?

3. Being more pragmatic about it, the goal of the game is to have bullets come out of your plane and hit another plane. The angle is irrelevant. Saying that head on shots are good or bad is ridiculous. If you are finding that you keep getting shot down by people who are shooting at you from head on, then stop flying right at people when you are in their gun range.

4. Being even more pragmatic about it: people have been making these threads for over a decade, and yet the ability to land hits on planes from all angles is still in the game.

[caldera]

Explain how the computer can tell what a HO is and is not.

I have shot enemy aircraft at a 90 degree angle and been accused of HOing.

Last night, some tard accused me of HO-ing him when I saddled up and finished off his 1/2 wing A5 trying to RTB.  Considering those were the first rounds fired in the sortie, I guess that means you can HO people from behind. 

[Wiley]

Last night, some tard accused me of HO-ing him when I saddled up and finished off his 1/2 wing A5 trying to RTB.  Considering those were the first rounds fired in the sortie, I guess that means you can HO people from behind.  (Image removed from quote.)

Some guys seem to view it as a HO if they can see your plane when they're looking out the front of their aircraft.

As to the suggestion, please no.  No magic bullets disappearing because of the angle they're fired at.

Wiley.

[Nathan60]

I cant get behind this for the simple fact that if I see a jet coming and Im not too far from my base  I'm going to try and ho the guy.

[RedBull1]

HO them first!! 

Read up some on WWII it was a valid and often used tatic.

Whatever you do don't listen to guys like this, Rot

 

I'm trying to learn to dogfight. Anybody can HO and I see it as pointless and a waste of time.

This is what Aces High needs, more new guys with this mindset, not "YAY LETS GET 40 GUYS ON THIS BASE AND TAKE IT AND HO THEN RUN AND STICK STIR YAAA!"

  Rot, it's a long road learning ACM, I suggest starting with Spitfires, La's, even some 109's, but don't stick to them, branch out once you start getting a good feeling for the A/C   

 

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HO's keep the fight Honest.....

[jimson]

Explain how the computer can tell what a HO is and is not.

I have shot enemy aircraft at a 90 degree angle and been accused of HOing.

I would think you could armor the front surfaces of fighter aircraft and make defensive gunner rounds armor piercing.

[Megalodon]

I'm not a programmer/coder, but I do believe it has been said that HOs were off in AW, can anyone verify that?  

+1

It wasn't that is was turned off , It was the hit value from like 11 to 1 or 11:30 to 12:30 was decreased so much that it was just a waste of ammo to even try, rarely did you get a hit never less a kill.

When folks did HO the whole community would come down on them as a clueless loser that couldn't fight Because it was turned so far down folks weren't afraid to merge right at each other, thus is why you see some people come straight at you for the fight. Just keep your finger off the trigger, merge and it's on.

As far as the HO being a very common tactic is bull hockey, when you take all the shots made in WWII and add them up, I bet they would be less than 5% of the total.

Good for Dick Bong and a few others who made it their common tactic and the LW attacking buffs, but in general it was not a common tactic at all. Quite the opposite.

[Megalodon]

Last night, some tard accused me of HO-ing him when I saddled up and finished off his 1/2 wing A5 trying to RTB. Considering those were the first rounds fired in the sortie, I guess that means you can HO people from behind.  (Image removed from quote.)

Who's the tard here? 

[Karnak]

I would think you could armor the front surfaces of fighter aircraft and make defensive gunner rounds armor piercing.

That would affect a great deal more than just HOs.

There really isn't any practical way to disable HOs without also disabling a number of other things with it.

[hitech]

1st in AW to hit a plane your bullet had to pass with in a 3 wingspan diameter circle. If it did, it was a hit, no matter if it really touched the plane structure or not.

2nd removing front angle shots changes the dynamics to give an advantage to turn fighting vs e fighting. And I am not talking about B&Z head ons.

Defeating a ropa dope suddenly becomes simple, All you have to do is have your plane facing him, and no worries mate, he cant hit you as he is coming down, and you are a stationary target ripe for the picking, but bullet proof.

Snap shots on scissors become useless.

HiTech

[caldera]

Who's the tard here? 

I was engaged with him in a high speed fight but never had a firing solution until then, so I would say you are.

[RotBaron]

Defeating a ropa dope suddenly becomes simple, All you have to do is have your plane facing him, and no worries mate, he cant hit you as he is coming down, and you are a stationary target ripe for the picking, but bullet proof.

Snap shots on scissors become useless.

HiTech

These reasons had not occurred to me, and would actually work against me (when I develop some skill) as I like some of the energy fighters.

I see the light, thank you.

Griff: I've started reading about how to use the lead turn, thank you.

How about some advice when you are trying to deack, your buddy is down there in an lvt and the clock is ticking on that WF. The enemy ups and heads straight for you, but you have a couple more ack to get...



Also was just reading an excerpt  from a Soviet manual, I did note a part in there about HOs. However, Stalin was throwing superior numbers at them, not superior skill for the most part. "Often" used by some whose compatriots didn't care if they came back may be more apt.

 

[kvuo75]

How about some advice when you are trying to deack, your buddy is down there in an lvt and the clock is ticking on that WF. The enemy ups and heads straight for you, but you have a couple more ack to get...

kill the enemy then finish deacking? or deack first, then fight the enemy?


crazy choices!


the answer is what's the biggest threat is what you fight first.  eg. fight top to bottom in a furball, etc. etc.

[800nate800]

turn right/left with opposite rudder  get at 100ft above them and you get a good reverse Ho from a angle you spray right onto of them works for me. <<S>




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