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Offline skorpx1

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A-20 Bombload Request
« on: December 25, 2012, 12:38:35 AM »
This isn't really about the bomb options or the placement of them, its more of a wish to have a distinction between the wing bombs and the bomb-bay bombs on the little tab that show's how many bombs you have left. When I switch back and forth its hard to tell if I have my wing bombs or my internal bombs out.

Perhaps having the wing bombs stay as B50 and the internal bombs switched to something like IB50. Also, maybe a re-model of the A-20?

That's all i'm asking for.

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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 05:08:18 AM »
The mosquitoes (VI & XVI) have the same problem when loading the same type of bombs in the bay as on the wings.
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 09:16:31 AM »
+1 to this and then give us the A26 lol
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 10:31:40 AM »
The Il-2 also suffers this problem.

Worse, the A-20G, Mosquitoes and Il-2 aren't even consistent in whether the first or second selection is the wings or the bomb bay.
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 05:39:29 PM »
Maybe a simple B10W to indicate that the wing bombs are selected?  Or what if we went the color change route?  I think it would be easier.  So for wing bombs, have it turn yellow, similar to when you manually burn your fuel tanks?
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 06:49:38 AM »
The Il-2 also suffers this problem.

Worse, the A-20G, Mosquitoes and Il-2 aren't even consistent in whether the first or second selection is the wings or the bomb bay.
lol that is true, but I have a good way to remember the order on the Mossie:

I always fly with the cannons selected till right before I start my attack run.
I always want to drop the wing bombs first, so it is logical that the first selection after guns will be the wing mounts.
Then I remember that the Mossie is British.
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tap backspace twice.

Since I fly the mossies 80% of my sorties I should probably just reassign backspace to the "select previous".
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 03:32:39 AM »

I always want to drop the wing bombs first, so it is logical that the first selection after guns will be the wing mounts.
Then I remember that the Mossie is British.
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tap backspace twice.

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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 08:18:15 PM »
i appreciate this statement  :aok

oh woooow lol i saw a bumper sticker that had a p38 HO and said real planes have counter rotating props :p

brits 38s and other twin jobs didnt lol is there anything "normal" they can do? hehe jk my english friends
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 03:56:23 AM »
oh woooow lol i saw a bumper sticker that had a p38 HO and said real planes have counter rotating props :p

brits 38s and other twin jobs didnt lol is there anything "normal" they can do? hehe jk my english friends
out of curiosity, does it affect it much more to have the two engines spin the same way, i realize it would torque more but for some reason having it in two different spots seems almost like it might not be as bad as a single engine in the center. then again im no physics major
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 08:21:42 AM »
out of curiosity, does it affect it much more to have the two engines spin the same way, i realize it would torque more but for some reason having it in two different spots seems almost like it might not be as bad as a single engine in the center. then again im no physics major
That is correct.  It does have torque, but not as bad as a single engined aircraft.  The RAF determined in considering counter rotating props for the Mossie that it would have no effect on the aircraft's performance other than a slight increase on the pilot's workload.  Based on the minor difference they did not think it was worth the logistics expense to need to maintain twice the engine stock for the Mosquito.

The DH Hornet did have counter rotating props though.
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 10:23:19 AM »
That is correct.  It does have torque, but not as bad as a single engined aircraft.  The RAF determined in considering counter rotating props for the Mossie that it would have no effect on the aircraft's performance other than a slight increase on the pilot's workload.  Based on the minor difference they did not think it was worth the logistics expense to need to maintain twice the engine stock for the Mosquito.

The DH Hornet did have counter rotating props though.

How did they figure counter-rotating props would increase pilot workload?  You don't do anything different when managing the engines....don't get this at all.

Modern aircraft have counter-rotating props mostly to improve single-engine handling/performance.  The funny thing about the P-38 is that the direction of it's counter-rotating props actually made the aircraft more difficult to handle single-engine in that both engines were "critical" engines.
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 10:30:22 AM »
How did they figure counter-rotating props would increase pilot workload?  You don't do anything different when managing the engines....don't get this at all.

I bet he meant would NOT increase pilot work load. With counter rotating props the engines would cancel out the torque allowing the pilot less work with the rudder and ailerons.  IIRC, the benefits to the Mossi in having counter rotating props (dont remember which engines were tested) was about 8 mph in level flight at 5,000 ft.  In the big picture it wasn't really necessary since the Mossi was already as fast as it was.    

Though, I suppose one could argue that with the torque present there would be less work involved when rolling or turning to the favored side.   :headscratch:

As far as the bomb selector goes, I agree that it sometimes gets a bit confusing as to which set of bombs a player has selected because unless you fly that plane quite a bit it is easy to lose track of which set of bombs is selected.  I fly the Mossi Mk IV quite a bit and I know the first set is the bomb bay and the 2nd the wings.  I drop the wing bombs first then the bomb bay, the biggest pain is having to hit the backspace key while zoomed in and not knowing if I've gone over the cannons and selected the bomb bay or not.  I almost with we could have separate triggers for bomb bay and external bombs.

This is very similar to being able to select X turret with X button while in a bomber.  Few of the bombers match up.   


  
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 10:35:29 AM »
Yeah, meant to say that not having counter rotating props would have no effect on the aircraft's performance other than a slight increase on the pilot's workload.
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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2013, 03:49:28 AM »
Counter rotating props will have an advantage only at slow speeds. At high speeds the tail and ailerons are very effective at countering yaw and torques. The Mossies were not meant to fly slow, that feature is perhaps more important for a dogfighter, hence de Havialland used counter rotating props in the Hornet - sort of the pure fighter evolution of the mossie.

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Re: A-20 Bombload Request
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 10:00:45 AM »
When I fly the A20, I just remember that when I first get in the cockpit the bomb pickle is set to the bomb bay bombs by default.   I'd need to select the Wing bombs  if I wish to drop them.

My preference is to switch to the Wing Bombs first than switch to the bomb  bay.

It’s not that hard to remember.  I’d rather see resources spent on other items.
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