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Offline Fish42

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Re: Gun Control...China has the most stringent and...
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »
Probably, but lucky for everyone else he didn't walk in with an AR 15 and gun down half the people in the room

Or any gun, even a revolver with 6 rounds. If your unstable enough to want to kill your own father, then the less power you can get your hands on the better. That father, though wounded by an arrow was able to hold off his son because there was only a knife involved.

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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2012, 02:58:33 PM »
Well that certainly seems to be the case elsewhere, at least it doesn't happen almost regularly. I think that's a pretty significant plus.
I mean if you pretend the world doesn't exist and ignore all precedent you can say that if stricter restrictions are placed on the ownership of firearms the US would plunge into mass hysteria and we would all be slaughtered by whoever and whatever. However if you open the blinds a little bit and look across the street it doesn't seem to work that way.
Like Mexico where civilian gun ownership is banned? Or are you pointing at China where you are shot in the head for speaking out against the government? I love how you think of yourself as enlightened and assume or imply that I'm some ignorant sap. There are millions of weapons and magazines in circulation and you honestly think that taking them away from law abiding citizens will create some Utopian society. Good luck with that. How many of your rights are you willing to give up to the goverment by the way? Where do you draw the line?

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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2012, 03:05:29 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2012, 03:10:18 PM »
Like Mexico where civilian gun ownership is banned? Or are you pointing at China where you are shot in the head for speaking out against the government? I love how you think of yourself as enlightened and assume or imply that I'm some ignorant sap. There are millions of weapons and magazines in circulation and you honestly think that taking them away from law abiding citizens will create some Utopian society. Good luck with that. How many of your rights are you willing to give up to the goverment by the way? Where do you draw the line?
Or nearly every other functional society where there are heavy restrictions on what kind of firearms can be owned and by who.
Or you can look at the other countries and former countries where the widespread civilian ownership of firearms didn't stop widespread calamity, or made it worse.
I'm a gun owner and I shoot guns recreationally. I don't own any semi-autos but I have interest in it and I have friends that I go shooting with that own semi autos and high capacity magazines and I've had plenty of fun shooting those guns. But I really don't think the passing enjoyment of spitting 30 rounds through an AK in a minute is really worth the lives of all of the people who have been massacred in the past year and I don't think that if the government 'comes for me' or whatever that it will make any difference what I'm armed with, considering backward Middle Eastern militaries have been putting down rebels with RPG-7s and full auto AKs for years now.

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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2012, 03:40:08 PM »
China has had a massive spree of school attacks over the past few years. This isn't new for China. Something like 22 attacks.


"The first guy used a knife and wasn't successful so the next guy used a car."... and continued to be unsuccessful. There seems to be a pattern in attacks where firearms aren't involved, wouldn't you agree?

There have still been fewer dead children from all of these Chinese attacks in the past two years combined than what happened in Connecticut.


Believe it or not, guns with high capacity magazines seem to allow a person to kill people more efficiently than blunt objects and knives. Call it a hunch, but I think this may be why soldiers aren't issued swords as combat weapons anymore.

You missed the point.  They will find a way and the Chinese epidemic of school killings is an example but that doesn't suit your argument.  Ok, your arguement is that stricter gun laws will disable future mass killers access to weapons or weapon systems that would allow them to be more accurate and lethal.  Those would be, in no order of importance:  fertilizer, steel, iron,....oh hell, I'm not going to do this, lol.  You have chosen high capacity weapons.  

You sir, are floating in a sea of crap and have chosen to look out of the boat and say, "I don't like that turd...that turd pizzes me off....I'm going to change that turd".  WADR, looking across the street is myopic in every sense of the word regarding gun laws.  Having worked with things that go boom in my past life, you cannot ignore that turd either...or the mass murderer that chooses to commit his crimes one at a time, or the serial rapist that chokes his victims to death after committing his vile act.  To believe that changing the gun laws so completely would stop  or even slow this kind of thing down assumes people are too stupid to find other ways.  I choose not to live in that world because that world facilitates my own victimization.  No thank you.



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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2012, 04:09:27 PM »
You missed the point.  They will find a way and the Chinese epidemic of school killings is an example but that doesn't suit your argument.  Ok, your arguement is that stricter gun laws will disable future mass killers access to weapons or weapon systems that would allow them to be more accurate and lethal.  Those would be, in no order of importance:  fertilizer, steel, iron,....oh hell, I'm not going to do this, lol.  You have chosen high capacity weapons. 

You sir, are floating in a sea of crap and have chosen to look out of the boat and say, "I don't like that turd...that turd pizzes me off....I'm going to change that turd".  WADR, looking across the street is myopic in every sense of the word regarding gun laws.  Having worked with things that go boom in my past life, you cannot ignore that turd either...or the mass murderer that chooses to commit his crimes one at a time, or the serial rapist that chokes his victims to death after committing his vile act.  To believe that changing the gun laws so completely would stop  or even slow this kind of thing down assumes people are too stupid to find other ways.  I choose not to live in that world because that world facilitates my own victimization.  No thank you.

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Luckily, you don't have to assume anything since you can just observe what happens in other countries. I don't know if people choose to believe that the rest of the world doesn't exist or that societies deal with mass school killings on a regular basis everywhere. But that's just not true. I guess in other societies with a lot of social turmoil and unrest people try, but they pretty much always fail, and I'd rather live in a world where mass murderers try and fail than one where they're allowed to do whatever, because "why try and stop them or make it harder".
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2012, 04:18:49 PM »
"why try and stop them or make it harder".
Yes, that's what's being advocated by people not wanting to give up more of their rights to a corrupt government.

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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2012, 05:33:25 PM »
Luckily, you don't have to assume anything since you can just observe what happens in other countries. I don't know if people choose to believe that the rest of the world doesn't exist or that societies deal with mass school killings on a regular basis everywhere. But that's just not true. I guess in other societies with a lot of social turmoil and unrest people try, but they pretty much always fail, and I'd rather live in a world where mass murderers try and fail than one where they're allowed to do whatever, because "why try and stop them or make it harder".

You aren't making an argument.  Please don't say that you KNOW what goes on in other countries like you've lived among murderers in those countries.  You are limited to what you read and what our media allows you access to.  You're trying to appeal to my emotion on this matter by employing argumentum ad hominem (saying backhandedly that I'm ignorant of what goes on around the globe).  Without any detail because its really no ones business but mine, what I've seen people do to each other in the parts of the world that I have been is beyond deplorable...its at the very least as bad as the school shooting and at worst, 5 times as bad by body count alone.  Failed attempts defined by lower body counts doesn't = successfully coralling the problem.  This would mean that a higher body count = better preparation which is making my point.  Where someone wills, there is most certainly a way.

You seem cerebrally pliable by laws that are available in other countries and how vogue their foresightedness seems to be by virtue of a lack of success in the attempted atrocities.  The short list of those forward-thinking countries are China, Russia, France, England...et al.  With a few exceptions, they are rooted in socialism (for the Brits here on the BBS, please note I said with few exceptions).  You may want to check your boat because the sea of poo your floating in is beginning to leak....better start pumping.

Make an argument and we can enjoy an uptempo, lively discussion.  Use a basically socialist model for how our citizens RTBA should be controlled (I say controlled for lack of a better word describing the limitations that would be placed on them by drastically changing gun laws) and we will have to move on.  I hope that won't be the case because the discussion is timely, necessary and educational.  Remember that our society is free and the current constitutional protection is the right for every citizen to bear arms.  It doesn't say limiting the capacity or controlling the cyclic rate of those arms.  HINT:

- indepth Background checks
- Voluntary gun buybacks
-resale laws that force sellers to register the sale or its a felony (or something)
-Any higher degree of pre-purchase accountability that is supported BY LAW ENFORCEMENT officers...not politicians.

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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2012, 05:43:34 PM »
Like Mexico where civilian gun ownership is banned? Or are you pointing at China where you are shot in the head for speaking out against the government? I love how you think of yourself as enlightened and assume or imply that I'm some ignorant sap. There are millions of weapons and magazines in circulation and you honestly think that taking them away from law abiding citizens will create some Utopian society. Good luck with that. How many of your rights are you willing to give up to the goverment by the way? Where do you draw the line?

mexico doesnt ban guns for the civilian population.  It is actually in the constitution that civilians are allowed to own guns.  I have posted links to it many times.  I remember going with my uncles to buy guns when I was a child.  they do ban some guns that are reserved for the military, but of course you can still buy them on the street.

the myth that mexico bans guns is just that a myth.

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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2012, 05:48:56 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2012, 06:04:08 PM »
Never mind...

I'll resist the urge.
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« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2012, 06:15:34 PM »
Okay Skuzzy step back take a deep breath and count to ten. If that doesn't work may I suggest taking some Imitrex and call it a night. Changeup why man WHY Skuzzy on a diffrent thread was talking about whipping out this








The only issue i have will be the person who comes in here, and starts to make the thread into a 'gun control' thread.  That is strictly political and so that person will get suspended from the board, send me a threatening email, terminate his account and send me another threatening email and then we will have lost a customer, because of me.  Yes, it will be my fault.

I am tempted to lock it just to prevent the above from happening.

Well maybe not the ban hammer but hate to see bad things happen to good people due to a laps of stupidity.
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« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2012, 06:25:57 PM »
Or nearly every other functional society where there are heavy restrictions on what kind of firearms can be owned and by who.
Or you can look at the other countries and former countries where the widespread civilian ownership of firearms didn't stop widespread calamity, or made it worse.
I'm a gun owner and I shoot guns recreationally. I don't own any semi-autos but I have interest in it and I have friends that I go shooting with that own semi autos and high capacity magazines and I've had plenty of fun shooting those guns. But I really don't think the passing enjoyment of spitting 30 rounds through an AK in a minute is really worth the lives of all of the people who have been massacred in the past year and I don't think that if the government 'comes for me' or whatever that it will make any difference what I'm armed with, considering backward Middle Eastern militaries have been putting down rebels with RPG-7s and full auto AKs for years now.

So enjoy the guns you have and allow the rest of us law abiding Citizens & Gun Owners to still make that choice.    The beauty of the 2nd Amendment, is "Choice".   If you choose to arm yourself, great.    If you choose to not arm yourself, great.    Just live with your choice and let it end there.    I own a USP 45, Sig 30-06 and a .22 bolt action Youth Henry for my 11 year old.   But I will defend the Rights of ANY Law-Abiding Citizen to own an AR, AK, or whatever else they legally own.   Why?  Because if Law-Abiding Gun Owners don't stick together, it is all for naught.  

Just the same as I was a Ducks Unlimited member for several years and have never even gone Duck Hunting.  Why?  Because I felt it was important at the time to channel funds to ensure Duck Hunters here in the US had proper wetlands and duck populations.  
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« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2012, 07:00:31 PM »
Okay Skuzzy step back take a deep breath and count to ten. If that doesn't work may I suggest taking some Imitrex and call it a night. Changeup why man WHY Skuzzy on a diffrent thread was talking about whipping out this




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Well maybe not the ban hammer but hate to see bad things happen to good people due to a laps of stupidity.

Dear Skuzzy:

Even though ignorance is not an excuse, I didn't happen to catch the warning.  With indifference to Recondo's poor use of the phrase, "laps of stupidity" (meaning running around of stupidity), I might endear myself to you for a LAPSE IN JUDGEMENT and throw myself at your mercy for engaging in a thread that could end up being political as opposed to simply stating personal views.  I believe there is a difference being that in the context of this thread, the only political affiliation are constitutional rights and those aren't arguable.  That being said, I have stated my views on this issue and no longer have any other arguments to make, lol.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter,

Your good friend Changeup.

EDIT:  Recondo - Think he bought it?  I didn't think so either....
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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM »
Hey I tried man.
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