Slower top speed for bomber formations

[Torquila]

I wish bomber formations had a limited top speed to account for the "effort" taken to keep the formation.

[colmbo]

I agree with your point about formation flight but....


If you're going to limit the bombers speed you need to limit the fighters speed as well.  A more realistic power management model would be great but hard to implement.  R/L it isn't as simple as If engine ran hard for X minutes Y happens. 

[Torquila]

I am not going to do anything, nor does symbolically allowing one thing mean that something else has to be allowed, what are we, brothers and HT is some sort of mother?

If you want to ride on the wave of an idea, i would suggest you start your own thread that mentions this concept and then adds your own twist to it.

Thanks.

[MrKrabs]

I agree with your point about formation flight but....


If you're going to limit the bombers speed you need to limit the fighters speed as well.  A more realistic power management model would be great but hard to implement.  R/L it isn't as simple as If engine ran hard for X minutes Y happens. 

+10 for the idea, and +40 just to aggravate Torquila

[Torquila]

If conflict is all you seek then it is all you will find.

[shdo]

well since planes can fly formation at mach+ speeds Torquila your suggestion is flawed.  bombers in wwII flew fairly tight formations for hours and hours at a time.  you could argue that the faster you fly the looser the formation is. 

however colmbo has the better suggestion and it would do what you want - to slow bombers down.  they may not be so easy to catch as the fighters would have to worry about destroying their engines too.

shdo

[Torquila]

shdo, I think you have the better suggestion, and its worthy of its own thread:

"the faster you fly the looser the formation is"

[Noir]

"the faster you fly the looser the formation is"

+1 it seems a fair compromise

[bozon]

The drones dont seem to follow the same performance rules as the manned plane. You can fly the lead at full throttle and the drones will still catch up. Limit them to the real performance and the leader will have to reduce throttle a bit to gather his formation. Only when he starts from a tight formation and open up in a straight line he will be able to keep that formation.

[The Fugitive]

As Hitech would say, "Ask for what you really want!!"

In this case, I want the buffs to be slowed because I can't catch them in my 410!

[SmokinLoon]

I think this is a valid wish because it is very much true in AH that bombers drop ordnance at much faster speeds than they did in WWII.  There are a number of liberties that HTC has taken in the name of game play (burn rate, map sises, etc) to help facilitate player interaction and to keep things in scale.  Also, there is no wind and cloud obstruction is minimal with mostly non-existent.

With all that in mind, about the only thing I can suggest would be to not allow bombers to drop above X speed (say 260 TAS). But, the monkey wrench in all this is the speed in which the B29 must travel in order to stay in level flight which is above 300 TAS when it is loaded down with 20,000 worth of ordnance and full or nearly full fuel tanks.  I know for a fact that my grandfather's B24D bombing runs were all done in the low 200's TAS, most of the drop's were below 8,000 ft, and he never saw 1000 lb bombs (most runs were done w 250 lb bombs).  Granted, in the Solomon Islands of the South Pacific they were not worried about massive batteries of 88's and hordes of enemy fighters, they were more worried about weather, navigation, and range.  Anyhow, I don't think a penalty can be applied to a flight of bombers but rather a restriction placed on the speed in which level bombing typically occurred.  I bet HTC could "coed" in a limited on the bomb button.  Thing is though how would they apply it across the board or on a per bomber basis?

This is one of those things to "be careful for what you wish for".         

[The Fugitive]

He has taken these "liberties" because it's a game, not a sim, not real war, but a game.

You want a sim, there are a number of places you can fly....all by your self and flip the levers, and watch the lights come on and go off, even burn up your engine if you like, but you'll do it alone.

Here the game is tailored to fit as many people and play styles as possible. Slow the buffs down or make it more like "work" to fly them and you loose the buff guys, then you don't have buffs to shoot at, nor do you have any heavys helping you bomb a base for capture.

The point here is to allow the most people to do what they enjoy,,, not to be realistic about drop speeds/angles and such. 

[thndregg]

He has taken these "liberties" because it's a game, not a sim, not real war, but a game.

You want a sim, there are a number of places you can fly....all by your self and flip the levers, and watch the lights come on and go off, even burn up your engine if you like, but you'll do it alone.

Here the game is tailored to fit as many people and play styles as possible. Slow the buffs down or make it more like "work" to fly them and you loose the buff guys, then you don't have buffs to shoot at, nor do you have any heavys helping you bomb a base for capture.

The point here is to allow the most people to do what they enjoy,,, not to be realistic about drop speeds/angles and such. 

I agree with a lot of this.

If it's made too technical, even my interest in flying B17's in this game would begin to falter.

Having done a lot of B17 missions in the MA, what I have found is that it still seems quite balanced. One sortie might turn out to be a milkrun, another one might turn out to be quite a butt-kickin' for us by the "bad guys", etc..

I don't see a lot that needs tweaked.

[save]

Well, if you can fly a formation of buff at max speed the 110g2 cant catch you, unlike RL.

The experienced ZG's formations did multiple high 12 -attacks on their intended victims.

In AH2 result : maximum one high-12 attack, and a tail-chase where 1.5k range shoot 110's to pieces before they even get a chance to attack.

At altitude Lancasters just farts, and fly away. 

[Lusche]

Well, if you can fly a formation of buff at max speed the 110g2 cant catch you, unlike RL.

The experienced ZG's formations did multiple high 12 -attacks on their intended victims.

In AH2 result : maximum one high-12 attack, and a tail-chase where 1.5k range shoot 110's to pieces before they even get a chance to attack.

At altitude Lancasters just farts, and fly away. 

Calibrate your throttle and allow yourself a tad more patience.