Pocket Knife on College Campus

[RTHolmes]

because its plainly going to be carried as a weapon. you dont need a 4" blade to open the package the DHL guy delivered to you while walking around campus (huh?) or to open a letter, or to trim your shoelaces (I'm assuming it isnt a hunting/game management college where you'll be gutting deer everyday). a 1" blade penknife or a small pair of scissors will do all those things. the intent may be defensive, but it will be a weapon nonetheless.

[VonMessa]

because its plainly going to be carried as a weapon. you dont need a 4" blade to open the package the DHL guy delivered to you while walking around campus (huh?) or to open a letter, or to trim your shoelaces (I'm assuming it isnt a hunting/game management college where you'll be gutting deer everyday). a 1" blade penknife or a small pair of scissors will do all those things. the intent may be defensive, but it will be a weapon nonetheless.

Hey, I can understand a straight-bladed knife being unnecessary for daily use.  Something like that is obviously not an everyday tool.  In fact, I made one for Stampf's son when we went to see him graduate from Parris Island.  I designed it to specifically be a weapon, from the shape, size, material and sheath.  There really isn't any other purpose to this knife, except as a survival tool or weapon.




On the other hand, I have been carrying a folding knife in my pocket since I was a 10 year old cub scout that earned his Tote & Chip card.  The next photo is my pocket knife that goes, well...  in my pocket.  It could certainly be used as a weapon as could just about anything else I mentioned before.  It is a $3.99 special from Harbor Freight.  Easy to replace if lost or broken.  I would feel naked leaving the house without it.  It is not very ferocious looking.  It is a damn pocket knife.  Again, I ask, would a piece of obsidian make everyone feel safer?

[Hoarach]

The point is that we are talking about a college campus.  A college campus can have their own set of rules which may be more strict than the local town or state.  It isnt uncommon for the college to have strict rules in terms of providing a safer campus.  A college can determine anything to be a weapon and remember many colleges have their own police force or security to follow the rules laid down by the college.  Like my college, we had actual state troopers on our campus and they enforced the laws of the college.  If a school determines a pocket knife is a weapon, then it is a weapon.  There is no use arguing it.  There is a reason why colleges provide handbooks and there is a section of handbooks clearly printed that has a section describing what is a weapon and the repercussions if someone is found carrying a weapon.  What you may consider a weapon and what a college considers a weapon can be easily two different things.  You may feel the need to carry a weapon but remember, a college is enforcing rules to make sure EVERYONE feels safe going to class and living on a campus which many consider home because of how much time during the year they spend on it.  After everything that has happened in this year alone, how many college students would feel comfortable knowing that someone in their class is carrying a switchblade. 

Again everyone is from different cultures and backgrounds.  What one is used to doing for most of their lives can easily change when going to college.  Colleges have rules for a reason.  Whether you like it or not, an individual must follow those rules.  If they dont like it, nothing saying they have to receive their education at that particular school.

[Devonai]

There is a lot of good advice here so far.  Some question the need to carry a weapon on a college campus.  Statistics notwithstanding, no environment is ever going to be 100% safe from the criminal element.  I worked as an armed security officer on a military base for four years.  We had entry requirements that were a thousand times more strict than a porous college campus.  And yet, military bases are not exempt from crime.  Bottom line, you may need to defend yourself anywhere.  The notion that college campuses are somehow isolated from the rest of the world is demonstrably false.

As has been noted, knives are often given harsher treatment as "weapons" even though there are many seemingly innocuous items that can be just as effective for self defense.  I used to carry a AA Maglite in places where other weapons were prohibited.  Not only does it provide a huge tactical advantage in darkness, but it can be used as a force multiplier for striking.  Nobody gives a hoot if you carry a flashlight, either.

The first part of self defense is threat mitigation.  Don't do stupid stuff or hang out with questionable people.  Don't go to parties off campus or where the majority of people are strangers.  If you drink, know who you're with and how you're going to get home.  Stay in well-lit areas when you travel and avoid going out late at night whenever possible.  Carry a decoy wallet.  All of these measures will mitigate your threat risk and require no weapons and no training.

When these measure fail, it will not be your fault.  If you are forced to defend yourself then you have the right to respond with enough force to end the threat without additional risk to yourself.  This includes lethal force if you have an honest and reasonable belief that you are in imminent danger of serious injury or death.  Familiarize yourself with laws regarding self defense, and carry the most effective weapon the law allows.  As others have stated, ask campus police.  Do not let them give you the old "why do you feel you need a weapon here" BS.  Stick to the law; opinion here is ultimately irrelevant.

[Curval]

It is really tough to get those freshman bras off.  A knife is key.

[bustr]

Colleges\Universities don't have to follow local, state or federal law if you are a student becasue they are responsible for your safety while in their care. This is ilegal and why I included the link to fire.org. By stare decisis and lack of concerted visible legal challenge accepted by their local legal system. They are also cash cows who make generous donations in their own best interests. You are dealing with essentialy soft totalitarian entities. So don't scare the natives.

Very often the local judicery and police is fine with this and defers to it. You also need to understand how quickly your right to a lawyer and your constitutional garuntees have no power in the US constiutional self exempted utopian sovereign nations called college or university. There is some quasi judicial tap dancing that covers the right of these farces to ensure everyone's saftey by adjudicating all violaters as guilty upon complaint with no recource to local, state, or federal due process unless you have access to lawyers with experience beating them into subission.

When you sign your student acceptance contract you sign away your rights while you live in their tiny totalitarian states. Try wearing a Glock T-shirt with a picture of a Glock on one side and "gun control is using both hands." on the other side on most campuses today. You can get kicked out of the school for being a teorrorist the next day, arrested for hate speech then dismissed, and even arrested and forced to take sensativity training, ongoing counsiling and accept 1 year of legal probation for public intimidation and harrasment. Magicly it will follow you to all of your background checks after graduation. It's just about as bad if the T-shirt says "I Heart Jesus" now on some campuses.

Keep the knife out of sight in your underware, never talk about it, or just don't push the issue and leave it at home. You cannot beleive how crazy campus legal systems and regimes will get to punish you for the smallest ideological infractions these days. Then hide under a table the next moment while a nut job blows you away along with everyone in your class. Welcome to the sovereign nations of utopian bliss and "right minded" thinking.

Why don't you just get an online degree from an accredited providor if you are worried about nutjobs assaulting you on campus? If it's meeting girls. Just remember on many US campuses she needs no proof to accuse you of something and you are guilty from that moment. 2009 TitleIX money was conditioned on a DOJ updated directive that all accusations against male students by female students be weighed against the preponderance of evidence rather than guilty until proven innocent. Don't be a bad or cheap date, or PO your girlfreind in effect. Her word is the only word the campus needs to ruin your life if they want to keep their federal funds. And the womens studies graduates who often run the campus sexual harrasment centers and festoon their legal units love it. The DOJ author of the updated missive is one of those wymans studies and legal school graduates.

You can read an analysis of this at fire.org.
http://thefire.org/article/13509.html

So why do you need a knife on campus by the way? You don't impress me as wanting to cut your own throat.

[Seanaldinho]

Colleges\Universities don't have to follow local, state or federal law if you are a student becasue they are responsible for your safety while in their care. This is ilegal and why I included the link to fire.org. By stare decisis and lack of concerted visible legal challenge accepted by their local legal system. They are also cash cows who make generous donations in their own best interests. You are dealing with essentialy soft totalitarian entities. So don't scare the natives.

Very often the local judicery and police is fine with this and defers to it. You also need to understand how quickly your right to a lawyer and your constitutional garuntees have no power in the US constiutional self exempted utopian sovereign nations called college or university. There is some quasi judicial tap dancing that covers the right of these farces to ensure everyone's saftey by adjudicating all violaters as guilty upon complaint with no recource to local, state, or federal due process unless you have access to lawyers with experience beating them into subission.

When you sign your student acceptance contract you sign away your rights while you live in their tiny totalitarian states. Try wearing a Glock T-shirt with a picture of a Glock on one side and "gun control is using both hands." on the other side on most campuses today. You can get kicked out of the school for being a teorrorist the next day, arrested for hate speech then dismissed, and even arrested and forced to take sensativity training, ongoing counsiling and accept 1 year of legal probation for public intimidation and harrasment. Magicly it will follow you to all of your background checks after graduation. It's just about as bad if the T-shirt says "I Heart Jesus" now on some campuses.

Keep the knife out of sight in your underware, never talk about it, or just don't push the issue and leave it at home. You cannot beleive how crazy campus legal systems and regimes will get to punish you for the smallest ideological infractions these days. Then hide under a table the next moment while a nut job blows you away along with everyone in your class. Welcome to the sovereign nations of utopian bliss and "right minded" thinking.

Why don't you just get an online degree from an accredited providor if you are worried about nutjobs assaulting you on campus? If it's meeting girls. Just remember on many US campuses she needs no proof to accuse you of something and you are guilty from that moment. 2009 TitleIX money was conditioned on a DOJ updated directive that all accusations against male students by female students be weighed against the preponderance of evidence rather than guilty until proven innocent. Don't be a bad or cheap date, or PO your girlfreind in effect. Her word is the only word the campus needs to ruin your life if they want to keep their federal funds. And the womens studies graduates who often run the campus sexual harrasment centers and festoon their legal units love it. The DOJ author of the updated missive is one of those wymans studies and legal school graduates.

You can read an analysis of this at fire.org.
http://thefire.org/article/13509.html

So why do you need a knife on campus by the way? You don't impress me as wanting to cut your own throat.

Well Im going to this college because its paid for.

I would like to carry the knife because Im used to having a weapon nearby in the event it is needed. Both my parents have concealed carry permits and carry daily, my dad more than one. I will be getting my permit shortly after my 18th birthday and will carry from that day forth. Obviously I cant carry a firearm on campus. Now the knife in question is more of a survival knife. Half the blade is serrated (whole blade is less than 4", 8" unfolded including handle) its small, comfortable, and effective and it has a glassbreaker if need be. So more than anything it serves a utilitarian purpose and provides a sense of security.

BTW I have seen a total of 2 campus security personnel. One goes around and checks parking stickers. The other locks up at night.

[68ZooM]

my question is.... how the heck will a pocket knife protect your life if its a school shooting?   never bring a knife to a gun fight as the saying goes.

[Seanaldinho]

my question is.... how the heck will a pocket knife protect your life if its a school shooting?   never bring a knife to a gun fight as the saying goes.

Im more worried about the getting jumped walking to class.

[bustr]

Save your life with that knife and your school will find a way to screw you faster than you can say victom. Any school you try to get into after that will know your story. It may keep you from doing anything but an online degree and have to explain a weapons charge during a background check. You might even be excluded from a CCW.

You should have never started this post. If you are going to carry weapons expect to run into problems at some point in your life. You should known better if you live in a home with CCW carriers and expect to earn one yourself. None of us know anything about your specific university and it's weapons bi-laws. You can goto your parents CCW instructors and get better locality answers than from this forum.

Why do you want everyone reading this post to know you carry a knife and intend to CCW when you reach your age of majority for your area? CCW teachers will not be very impressed with this line of discussion even if you are posting anonymously. It shows a compulsion to talk about your weapons to complete strangers. And you have talked about your parents CCW without their permission in a public forum.

So how many don'ts have you violated for earning a CCW so far on the written exam?

don't tell anyone you are in the CCW process
don't tell anyone you carry or intend to carry
don't talk about carrying weapons to strangers and what you want to do with them
don't tell strangers about CCW carriers you personaly know
don't ask weapons legal advice from strangers and non-lawyers

You have specific avenues in private in your area as a CCW to gain legal advice without jepordising your status. Your parents should be able to help you with that being CCW carriers to privetly help you with your questions about carrying a knife at your campus. Legal questions in the wrong legal areas can lead to questions about your fitness.

Why do you want everyone here to know you carry weapons and that your parents are licensed to conceal carry??

I personaly commend your parents for their courage but, don't get you in the face of such a responsible armed house hold.

[The Fugitive]

Im more worried about the getting jumped walking to class.

What school are you going to?

[Seanaldinho]

Im just gonna stop. All I wanted to know was if anyone knew the law in Florida about carrying a pocket knife.  Goodbye

[The Fugitive]

Im just gonna stop. All I wanted to know was if anyone knew the law in Florida about carrying a pocket knife.  Goodbye

It has nothing to do with the "law in Florida", it's has everything to do with the bylaws and rules of the school.

Your not going to tell us the name of the school?

[katanaso]

Im just gonna stop. All I wanted to know was if anyone knew the law in Florida about carrying a pocket knife.  Goodbye

The law in Florida is pretty clear about knives, and what you can and can't carry.

You can't have a switchblade (spring assisted opening) or something that shoots a projectile.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/0790ContentsIndex.html

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=knife&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.225.html

Regarding a weapon (which includes any knives) on any school grounds:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2012&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=790.115

[Seanaldinho]

The law in Florida is pretty clear about knives, and what you can and can't carry.

You can't have a switchblade (spring assisted opening) or something that shoots a projectile.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/0790ContentsIndex.html

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=knife&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.225.html

Regarding a weapon (which includes any knives) on any school grounds:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2012&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=790.115

Thank you, this is what I wanted to know.