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Offline Zeagle

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F-15 vid
« on: December 31, 2012, 08:51:40 AM »
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 09:08:08 AM »
That will give eagl a chubbie.
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 09:21:50 AM »
It's always a good watch but I feel like Eagle's seen this!

I think I remember him talking about how bad those pilots get their backs screwed up, using the guy looking over his shoulder during a 6 g turn as the example.


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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 11:01:48 AM »
Awesome!  :airplane:
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 11:42:57 AM »
Awesome vid.  :x Thanks for sharing  :cheers:

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 11:48:13 AM »
Yes it's been posted before but always worth a revisit. If you can connect to a HDTV do so for the full effect.

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 11:50:39 AM »
Sweet video, terrible music.
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »
Sweet video, terrible music.

You mean you didn't like the cover of "Bad Company" ?  :D

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 05:22:51 PM »
I think I remember him talking about how bad those pilots get their backs screwed up, using the guy looking over his shoulder during a 6 g turn as the example.

Why?

Was it about the seat leaning angle or some another reason/s?

I'm asking this, because once I read, the F16 pilots seat  leaning angle was causing a lot of issues for pilots to check their c5/7 under the G's.

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 07:00:59 PM »
That was awesome, thanks for posting  :aok

Why?

Was it about the seat leaning angle or some another reason/s?

I'm asking this, because once I read, the F16 pilots seat  leaning angle was causing a lot of issues for pilots to check their c5/7 under the G's.

TY

Yea, pretty much, I believe the reason for the seat angle is to help reduce the G load on the pilot
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2013, 03:21:39 PM »
It takes far more "transverse G" than "longitudinal G" to black you out.

That's the reason some planes have the pilot almost laid down.

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2013, 03:31:29 PM »
Reclining seat has higher ultimate G tolerance for the pilot if he is just looking forward, but that typically results in the pilot sustaining higher Gs while trying to turn his head.  This commonly blows out a cervical disc or in severe cases can either fracture vertebrae or cause a weird spine dislocation waaay up in the neck.  Not good.

F-15 pilots typically see lower or mid back injuries because unlike the F-16 pilots who simply turn their heads when under Gs, the F-15 pilot leans forward a bit, twists at the waist, and then braces a shoulder against the seatback and leans against the side of the canopy.  That puts the strain on the lower and middle back.  Neck strains are still common in the F-15 but the permanent damage is in the lower back vs. the neck.

I think I probably blew out my L5-S1 disc pulling as low as 6 to 6.5 Gs.  I was strong enough to move around quite a bit at up to 6 Gs so I didn't unload as much as I should have before moving/twisting around in the cockpit.  At the time of the injury I was also pulling up to 8.5 Gs while looking forward and up to 7 or 7.5 while already twisted around looking backwards, so I don't really know exactly when it happened.  I just noticed symptoms when I moved from one base to another since loading/unloading my stuff probably aggravated it, and then it just gradually got worse over the next 7 years flying high performance fighters and trainers.  I've had one surgery and have been told by 3 surgeons and a pain management specialist that it will never get better and will always hurt and restrict my lifestyle.  Further surgery has 1/3 chance of making it better, 1/3 chance it won't change anything, and 1/3 chance it could make it worse or cripple me completely.
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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 06:56:38 PM »
Dang...that is harsh.

I'll bet they see hernia often as well.

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2013, 09:36:18 AM »
Price you pay for flyin the Ferrari of fighters .. I would have been right there withya if I had been able :)

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Re: F-15 vid
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2013, 05:16:46 PM »
Reclining seat has higher ultimate G tolerance for the pilot if he is just looking forward, but that typically results in the pilot sustaining higher Gs while trying to turn his head.  This commonly blows out a cervical disc or in severe cases can either fracture vertebrae or cause a weird spine dislocation waaay up in the neck.  Not good.

F-15 pilots typically see lower or mid back injuries because unlike the F-16 pilots who simply turn their heads when under Gs, the F-15 pilot leans forward a bit, twists at the waist, and then braces a shoulder against the seatback and leans against the side of the canopy.  That puts the strain on the lower and middle back.  Neck strains are still common in the F-15 but the permanent damage is in the lower back vs. the neck.

I think I probably blew out my L5-S1 disc pulling as low as 6 to 6.5 Gs.  I was strong enough to move around quite a bit at up to 6 Gs so I didn't unload as much as I should have before moving/twisting around in the cockpit.  At the time of the injury I was also pulling up to 8.5 Gs while looking forward and up to 7 or 7.5 while already twisted around looking backwards, so I don't really know exactly when it happened.  I just noticed symptoms when I moved from one base to another since loading/unloading my stuff probably aggravated it, and then it just gradually got worse over the next 7 years flying high performance fighters and trainers.  I've had one surgery and have been told by 3 surgeons and a pain management specialist that it will never get better and will always hurt and restrict my lifestyle.  Further surgery has 1/3 chance of making it better, 1/3 chance it won't change anything, and 1/3 chance it could make it worse or cripple me completely.

 :salute for the detailed information, sir.

What about the physical training for the pilots?  Some weekly special neck training methods with gym machines?

Once I read from somewhere, during the turn fight the pilots are setting/throwing their heads to certain angle and then pull hard.
The target tracking is made with eyes only, while head will stay still on those hard/High G turns.

True?