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Offline caldera

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1/2 wing hurri
« on: January 06, 2013, 06:08:25 PM »
Augers in every single time.  Is there a way to keep that plane airborne?  There are some planes (F6F, 190, Ki-84) that are a breeze to fly missing a wingtip.  The Hurri - at least the Sea Hurri - handles like a 410 (or B-24) when missing a wingtip.  I have seen a wartime picture of a P-47 that flew home with half a wing missing.  What gives with the Hurri?  Operator error?  :headscratch:
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Re: 1/2 wing hurri
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 07:04:10 PM »
Flaps if you can get em out havent had to fly the new hurris with wing dmg yet but getting flaps out should help you a ton.
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Re: 1/2 wing hurri
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 08:29:16 PM »
Flaps if you can get em out havent had to fly the new hurris with wing dmg yet but getting flaps out should help you a ton.
Putting flaps out on many planes when missing a wingtip will just about flip many planes over. Not sure about the rotation of the prop on a hurrie but on a 51 its very easy to keep it in the air if its the wingtip on opposite side of the rotation but very hard if same side as rotation.
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Re: 1/2 wing hurri
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 09:35:33 PM »
I am also interested in any tips on this with a P47. I had half the left wing gone and was able to get within probably 4 k of the runway. But I could no longer turn left when I was that close and the runway ended up left of me. I was using a lot of rudder which helped when I was higher. I tried to ditch and almost pulled it off but then ran into a bush. Stupid bush caused me to crash and then the guy who shot me got credit for the kill.

That leads to my other grip for the day. What is with all of these bushes or hedges that are tougher than concrete? They will stop a Tiger II! Really?? Reality check..... oh, I guess we hit our limit on those.
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Re: 1/2 wing hurri
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 04:08:39 PM »
Putting flaps out on many planes when missing a wingtip will just about flip many planes over. Not sure about the rotation of the prop on a hurrie but on a 51 its very easy to keep it in the air if its the wingtip on opposite side of the rotation but very hard if same side as rotation.

If I remember correctly, the Hurri's flaps are an all or nothing deployment....  I would be inclined to speculate, assuming you were already beginning in a state of semi-controlled flight while missing half a wing, that you'd get flipped and/or be working very hard to keep semi-control during their deployment.


I am also interested in any tips on this with a P47. I had half the left wing gone and was able to get within probably 4 k of the runway. But I could no longer turn left when I was that close and the runway ended up left of me. I was using a lot of rudder which helped when I was higher. I tried to ditch and almost pulled it off but then ran into a bush. Stupid bush caused me to crash and then the guy who shot me got credit for the kill.

That leads to my other grip for the day. What is with all of these bushes or hedges that are tougher than concrete? They will stop a Tiger II! Really?? Reality check..... oh, I guess we hit our limit on those.
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Yes, AH's trees and bushes are made of durasteel - historicaly on many occasions P47s mulched them, 190s could hedge and crop with wings intact, and shermans (nevermind a tiger) steamrolled them all into compost.  And even though AH's mighty Ironbarks shrug off 4k bombs and 88mm HE without so much as yielding a leaf or toothpick - we shouldn't be ungrateful or overlook that, above all, they are equal opportunity obstructions that will never discriminate between you or anyone else.

Alright, but seriously, back to landing the clipped wing jug.  I'm no expert or authority on flight instruction or the P47, but I'll try to give it a shot with your situation.  Let us take a brief study of the aircraft you were nursing back - particularly with that she's relatively big and heavy amongst her peers and that her nimbleness/controlability deteriorates at lower speeds (also at _extremely_ high, but that's a different matter).  As you came in to land, you slowed down, thus doing two key things off the top of my head that may of confronted you - generating less lift and (likely) reducing the effectiveness of your control surfaces to deflect/control your flight/decent.

For the lift deficit, adding flaps as needed should help counter it but not do anything about the other problem regarding under/over control deficit/excess (unless you get lucky, IE: missing half your left wing and your right-side flap was shot out in the up position).

For the control deficit you're going to need to utilise manual control trim (note: that this may not work all the time, some aircraft and some situations/states of damage will just be simply beyond the envelope of controlability).  Familiarise yourself with it's functions and the keys they're mapped to on the keyboard (I believe default is I/K for elevator, rudder is N/. and aileron is M/,).  If full stick to the X isn't working, try adding more/full trim in that direction too for additional deflection/control.  Need to (and maybe tired of) holding 50% right rudder for level flight, trim it in and save yourself the effort/concentration.  Now some warning though - first is that you can (depending on the aircraft and situation) easily over-trim beyond controlable flight, so try some practice at it in an aircraft not missing near half its parts sometime before doing it in one that is.  Lastly is that we get spoiled by auto/combat trim in AH, you may not be aware of how often or much it compensates the various controls for different speeds and states of flight as you normally go through them in AH.  Try to take note of what the auto/combat trim is doing in your aircrafts going forward, will you need full X trim to takeoff and land or how much you'll roughly need a speeds A, B and C - as once you disable it because your aircraft is missing ___ and you want/need to manual trim, you are not going to have it automatically adjust during your landing for you.  Lastly with manual trim, when in doubt/trouble, ctrl+X reengages combat/auto-trim (it will adjust all three trims to your speed, although it's assuming you aren't missing any of your parts.  but after it balances 2 of 3 of the trims for you, you can manually adjust the third as you need.  if it starts feeling unbalanced again and you're uncertain - rinse and repeat).

Also, manual trim will come in very handy in the jug and other aircraft (at first to save your bacon and recover, but eventually to utilise...) when you get going too fast in a dive and start to compress and "lock" your controls up, you can trim your way out of them.
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Re: 1/2 wing hurri
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 05:38:59 PM »
here is a clip of an I16 with a half wing gone skip to about 2:42 as you can see its still quite controllable. While I will agree that if the half wing is with the motors torque its tougher to control, but not impossible.
Hope to catch some film of it happening soon. spits if your slow enough to get flaps out get very touchy but are much easier to maintain in semi level flight till right at stall with a half wing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhu8XUUf23A&list=PLFDC4973B4216E1B9
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