Author Topic: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception  (Read 7110 times)

Offline BigR

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2013, 04:43:59 AM »
Never get me to rage quit but, I must admit, I'm usually am suprised when a pony actually wants to fight and is able to latch on to me like you do. If anything, it makes me want to up again and find you. You're the exception to the pony pilot rule BigR. Most of the pony stuff that shows up on these boards doesn't apply to you. Unlike other "respected" 51 drivers (Rocky and Pand come to mind), you know how to fight with it and don't need 2 friends and a bag of E get the job done.

Always good times fighting your Jug sir!  :salute

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2013, 06:48:55 AM »
These 51 threads are getting funny....No a 51 isnt going to compete in a stall fight with turny birds, all other things being equal. Thats assuming the turny bird pilot isnt taken by huge surprise when the 51 merges with him and doesnt run away. I get many kills that way. People always underestimate the mustang, and thats its biggest strength. Somehow the legend of the Cadillac of the skies has been diminished in some way in this game...My job is to remind everyone. I love flying "dweeb" planes. It riles up the old folks. Been flying the LA7 a lot lately..such a dream. I have caused many rage quits with it. I think thats an achievement HT should add. "RageAce: Cause 5 players to Rage Quit"

I can think of at least two times you've caught me out like that  :aok.  Talk about a classic Oh S*** moment!

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2013, 07:10:02 AM »
I always considered the Yak U a fantastic Pony hunter. Problem is, often next to impossible to ever find a Pony on his own and one that would be willing to stay and fight it out vs the Yak.

But the odd great fights made up for all the many times I'd get picked off by Ponies when in Yak T

Please HT update the Yak..  :cry


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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2013, 08:03:17 AM »

   Use every plane with it's strengths. Can't expect to win most turn fights against a plane better designed for it.

   Pony has no problem with killing others in it's own way. Assuming many noobs fly the La7 or 16 and most other models probally flown by the more experienced.


                                                Late War Tour 155
                                                Kills by the P-51D
                                             Killed Model Type Killed Percent
                                         
                                                          Kills                K/D
                                      La-5FN            81                0.339
                                         La-7           947                3.965

 
                               Spitfire Mk I            63                 0.24
                             Spitfire Mk IX         3565                 0.96
                              Spitfire Mk V           611                 0.58
                           Spitfire Mk VIII         5381                 1.01
                            Spitfire Mk XIV          698                 1.26
                            Spitfire Mk XVI       13287                 1.13

                       
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2013, 09:17:51 AM »
I'll turn with anything in a 51, and I especially like stallfighting La7's, Spit 16's, all 109's, and 38's.

Zeros are a nightmare to stallfight against, and I end up having to climb out of the fight, and Spit 8's are extremely difficult as well if it starts going into a looping fight.  A few people who fly Ki84's are the same.

If you see me running away, it's usually from multiple cons where I know I have no chance of winning.  I don't mind losing, but I'm not about handing out free kills. :)





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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2013, 09:24:06 AM »
Ah, finally got a mention.  Thanks LilMak!

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2013, 09:32:48 AM »
190D9 against P51s are always nice fites for me, no matter the final result :aok
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2013, 09:49:15 AM »
Steve.  Period.

This thread can end now.  Perfect use of one notch of flaps gets you rolling with him and the second and third notches were timed so that you couldn't slow down with him.  Aerial gunnery was snapshot/perfect.  If he didn't have the right entry into the fight to get slow with you, he'd extend and start over.  No waiting in line for his return...Zeke, Spit or brew, he came back

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2013, 10:12:44 AM »
Steve.  Period.

This thread can end now.  Perfect use of one notch of flaps gets you rolling with him and the second and third notches were timed so that you couldn't slow down with him.  Aerial gunnery was snapshot/perfect.  If he didn't have the right entry into the fight to get slow with you, he'd extend and start over.  No waiting in line for his return...Zeke, Spit or brew, he came back

He flew it 'right', but I think there are several better at turning it, at least from my experiences.  But it's relative to what I consider better.

I've found there are 3 general types of fighting:

1.  Those who fly timidly, extending at the slightest loss of an E advantage, usually reversing when they have friends.
2.  Those who fly somewhat aggressively, utilizing their planes strengths without playing into the hands of their enemy's strengths, extending when they lose offensive options. 
3.  Those who fly aggressively, fighting the other plane's fight, trying to win in ways the plane shouldn't.

Which makes the 'best' cartoon pilot?  Is it the guy that flies like #2, which is the probably the smartest way to fly?  Or is it the guy that flies like #3, which takes fancy ACMs, good coordination, and some luck?

Personally, I've found #3 to be more fun.  It was that way for me back in AW too.  I also really enjoy fighting the guys that fight the #3 method as well.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »
   Use every plane with it's strengths. Can't expect to win most turn fights against a plane better designed for it.

   Pony has no problem with killing others in it's own way. Assuming many noobs fly the La7 or 16 and most other models probally flown by the more experienced.


                                                Late War Tour 155
                                                Kills by the P-51D
                                             Killed Model Type Killed Percent
                                         
                                                          Kills                K/D
                                      La-5FN            81                0.339
                                         La-7           947                3.965         


I have to wonder if the La5's K/D is so much better based on pilot or just the fact that acceleration isn't as difficult to manage since it's so much less than the La7...
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2013, 10:43:50 AM »
steve? did he even log a sortie in the last 5 years?

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2013, 10:47:37 AM »
I have to wonder if the La5's K/D is so much better based on pilot or just the fact that acceleration isn't as difficult to manage since it's so much less than the La7...



Where do you see a "so much better" K/D for the La-5?
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2013, 02:28:45 PM »
Always good times fighting your Jug sir!  :salute
And great fighting you in the mustang.  :salute

Not so much the LA though. It's usually over for me too quick.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2013, 02:57:50 PM »

Where do you see a "so much better" K/D for the La-5?

It says Kills by the P51, then shows a terrible K/D near the La5...  even so far this tour it's still a bit more favorable 51D vs La7 than La5...
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2013, 03:04:38 PM »
It says Kills by the P51, then shows a terrible K/D near the La5


The is no K/D mentioned on that table at all. It's labeled "percent" - It's the share of kills the P-51 has on this plane. the LA-5 made up 0.339 % of all kills by the P-51
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