HF Flight Model Arena

[SkyRock]

If the ball is out of center the airplane is yawed.  If it's yawed you're presenting the side of the airplane to the slipstream which means more drag.  How can reducing drag (saving energy) not be a good thing?  Except of course those times when you want to bleed E -- I just find the more common issue is being short on E so I like to conserve as much as I can.

If someone wants to let the tail wag around behind them that's fine.  As I posted earlier the advantage to being anal about coordination probably won't make any big difference.  IMO you do gain a minute amount, it is the way airplanes are meant to be flown so for me I'm going to be stomping rudder for the same reason I land on the center line and fly final on speed even when solo in the airplane --- it's just the right thing to do. 

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Obviously you know what you're talking about, I couldn't agree more and I'm not a certified pilot in RL... in game me and my buds used to call what you're talking about here, "being fluid" with the resistance, cutting down the friction at all times helps conserve E... being "one" with the atmosphere, albeit Cartoon planes and air, still baffles some that wonder, "where in hell did he get all that damn E from"......

 

[SkyRock]

Everybody's different.  I know for myself, pedals made a huge difference.  They allowed me to isolate what I'm doing with stick and rudder much better, and allowed me much finer input on rudder.  I'd only had about 6 months on the twisty before I got pedals, so it could be a completely different thing for someone who's been at it for that long.

Wiley.

I use an old sidewinder twisty, and no matter how good one gets at using a twisty, pedals will always be better for the simple fact that sometimes the plane needs to nose up or down with an exact and non-changing amount of rudder applied.... extremely hard to do using a twisty, even for someone who has a decade of practice!

[earl1937]

I use an old sidewinder twisty, and no matter how good one gets at using a twisty, pedals will always be better for the simple fact that sometimes the plane needs to nose up or down with an exact and non-changing amount of rudder applied.... extremely hard to do using a twisty, even for someone who has a decade of practice!

I am a little confused! You say the aircraft needs to nose up or down, using rudder pedals? Are you referring to a turning maneuver? The rudder pedals only controls "Yaw" about the vertical axis of the aircraft. To be more specific, the rudder is on an aircraft for one reason and one reason only, "to overcome the adverse yaw created by the down aileron in a turn"! Of course, not counting the rudders use on takeoffs and slow airspeeds to overcome the torque and "P" factor caused by the engine and prop. Just for the sake of it, just remember these three things and it might help you with your flying.
#1- Rudder controls yaw about the vertical axis, which runs through your aircraft from the top of the aircraft to the bottom!
#2- Elevator controls "pitch about the lateral axis, which runs from wing tip to wing tip.
#3- Ailerons control roll about the longitudinal axis which runs from nose to tail of the aircraft.

http://www.google.com/search?q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&tbo=u&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mZn1UJ6MF4jS9ATJ6IGICQ&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1405&bih=582#q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSEgkk4Ucba2xEUSF59-ccl8zQrA&iact=hc&vpx=200&vpy=131&dur=7089&hovh=188&hovw=268&tx=98&ty=280&sig=113520652345733669011&ei=opn1ULWZNYO89gTD-oCYDQ&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=207&ved=1t:2220,r:1,s:0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.eWU&fp=bbb932e8e0a2bb50&biw=1405&bih=582

Hope this helps sir!

[hitech]

I am a little confused! You say the aircraft needs to nose up or down, using rudder pedals? Are you referring to a turning maneuver? The rudder pedals only controls "Yaw" about the vertical axis of the aircraft. To be more specific, the rudder is on an aircraft for one reason and one reason only, "to overcome the adverse yaw created by the down aileron in a turn"! Of course, not counting the rudders use on takeoffs and slow airspeeds to overcome the torque and "P" factor caused by the engine and prop. Just for the sake of it, just remember these three things and it might help you with your flying.
#1- Rudder controls yaw about the vertical axis, which runs through your aircraft from the top of the aircraft to the bottom!
#2- Elevator controls "pitch about the lateral axis, which runs from wing tip to wing tip.
#3- Ailerons control roll about the longitudinal axis which runs from nose to tail of the aircraft.

http://www.google.com/search?q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&tbo=u&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mZn1UJ6MF4jS9ATJ6IGICQ&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1405&bih=582#q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSEgkk4Ucba2xEUSF59-ccl8zQrA&iact=hc&vpx=200&vpy=131&dur=7089&hovh=188&hovw=268&tx=98&ty=280&sig=113520652345733669011&ei=opn1ULWZNYO89gTD-oCYDQ&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=207&ved=1t:2220,r:1,s:0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.eWU&fp=bbb932e8e0a2bb50&biw=1405&bih=582

Hope this helps sir!

Earl, he is speaking of the fact that with a twisty stick(rudder when you twist the stick), it is almost impossible to add only elevator with out twisting your wrist one way or the other, hence why he believes rudder pedals are better.

On the same thought process.
A gunnery tip, switching your gunning trigger to left hand, either throttle or keyboard can prevent accidental stick deflection do to pulling the trigger, when precise shooting is desired.

HiTech

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Earl, he is speaking of the fact that with a twisty stick(rudder when you twist the stick), it is almost impossible to add only elevator with out twisting your wrist one way or the other, hence why he believes rudder pedals are better.

On the same thought process.
A gunnery tip, switching your gunning trigger to left hand, either throttle or keyboard can prevent accidental stick deflection do to pulling the trigger, when precise shooting is desired.

HiTech

absolutely correct....I put my secondaries on my throttle a couple years ago...and just about doubled my hit % over night....same thing happened when I went from a twisty to peddles 

[Wmaker]

A gunnery tip, switching your gunning trigger to left hand, either throttle or keyboard can prevent accidental stick deflection do to pulling the trigger, when precise shooting is desired.

A6M for example had a lever-like trigger in the throttle for firing the guns.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Everybody's different.  I know for myself, pedals made a huge difference.  They allowed me to isolate what I'm doing with stick and rudder much better, and allowed me much finer input on rudder.  I'd only had about 6 months on the twisty before I got pedals, so it could be a completely different thing for someone who's been at it for that long.

Wiley.

I tried pedals but got frustrated because I no longer could hit literally the broad side of a barn. Maybe now after lengthy abcense that I have to relearn stuff anyway it would work.

[Wiley]

I tried pedals but got frustrated because I no longer could hit literally the broad side of a barn. Maybe now after lengthy abcense that I have to relearn stuff anyway it would work.

It might've helped me as well because I completely changed my setup.  I went from a relatively cheap twisty to an X52 with pedals in one move.  Since I had to relearn ALL the muscle memory, it probably eased the transition.

It might be an opportunity for you.  I knew a couple guys that swore by their twisties over the years, but it was so different from my experience, I just couldn't relate.

It will take a while to retrain your brain for sure though.  I know after I'd been using the pedals for a year or so, I was playing with a twisty somewhere else, and was laughing my backside off because anytime I'd go to apply rudder, my foot would kick the floor, then I'd twist the stick.

Wiley.

[SkyRock]

I am a little confused! You say the aircraft needs to nose up or down, using rudder pedals? Are you referring to a turning maneuver? The rudder pedals only controls "Yaw" about the vertical axis of the aircraft. To be more specific, the rudder is on an aircraft for one reason and one reason only, "to overcome the adverse yaw created by the down aileron in a turn"! Of course, not counting the rudders use on takeoffs and slow airspeeds to overcome the torque and "P" factor caused by the engine and prop. Just for the sake of it, just remember these three things and it might help you with your flying.
#1- Rudder controls yaw about the vertical axis, which runs through your aircraft from the top of the aircraft to the bottom!
#2- Elevator controls "pitch about the lateral axis, which runs from wing tip to wing tip.
#3- Ailerons control roll about the longitudinal axis which runs from nose to tail of the aircraft.

http://www.google.com/search?q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&tbo=u&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mZn1UJ6MF4jS9ATJ6IGICQ&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1405&bih=582#q=axis+of+flight+of+aircraft&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7PRFA_en&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSEgkk4Ucba2xEUSF59-ccl8zQrA&iact=hc&vpx=200&vpy=131&dur=7089&hovh=188&hovw=268&tx=98&ty=280&sig=113520652345733669011&ei=opn1ULWZNYO89gTD-oCYDQ&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=207&ved=1t:2220,r:1,s:0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.eWU&fp=bbb932e8e0a2bb50&biw=1405&bih=582

Hope this helps sir!

Sorry for the confusion Earl, HT cleared it up... but basically if you are intending to use X amount of rudder, and you also have to use the elevators, it is extremely hard to keep the exact amount of rudder applied while using the elevators, same holds true with aileron use.  One would have to twist stick at X degrees and hold it there while using the stick for ele and ailer control.   I compensate for it naturally now because I have been "flying" that way so long, but it is frustrating at times!

[earl1937]

Earl, he is speaking of the fact that with a twisty stick(rudder when you twist the stick), it is almost impossible to add only elevator with out twisting your wrist one way or the other, hence why he believes rudder pedals are better.

On the same thought process.
A gunnery tip, switching your gunning trigger to left hand, either throttle or keyboard can prevent accidental stick deflection do to pulling the trigger, when precise shooting is desired.

HiTech

Thanks for correcting me, I hadn't thought of the secondary gun switch on my left hand, gotta change that ASAP! Thnaks for the tip!!!

[ImADot]

I have a CH Fighterstick, and have "fire all" mapped to the trigger, with another button to "fire primary only" and a third to "fire secondary only". I fly with a light pressure on the stick, so have never had an issue with throwing the nose around while pulling the trigger.

Just like in golf, (for a right-handed golfer) the tighter you squeeze your right hand, the farther you will slice the ball to the right.  So with your joystick, a light grip allows for the smaller muscles to do their thing and in turn allows you finer control of the stick and buttons. 

[Wiley]

On the same thought process.
A gunnery tip, switching your gunning trigger to left hand, either throttle or keyboard can prevent accidental stick deflection do to pulling the trigger, when precise shooting is desired.

HiTech

Oh great... another thing that makes sense to try out and obsess over.  That's going to be some tough muscle memory to beat out of myself...

Wiley.