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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2013, 07:32:00 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2013, 08:04:12 AM »


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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2013, 08:20:03 AM »
"wilson" was tom hanks only friend on the deserted island after a fed ex plane crash in the move "cast away".

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2013, 08:27:55 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2013, 04:26:02 PM »
The battery getting cooked is just a symptom of a deeper/hidden problem with the electrics.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2013, 06:56:17 PM »
The battery getting cooked is just a symptom of a deeper/hidden problem with the electrics.

I could only see the problem being the battery itself (didn't some laptop batteries catch fire spontaneously some time back?) or the Transformer Regulating Units (AC<>DC).
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2013, 10:03:46 PM »
I could only see the problem being the battery itself (didn't some laptop batteries catch fire spontaneously some time back?) or the Transformer Regulating Units (AC<>DC).

Definitely appears some issue with thermal runaway. Talk to any RC guy who's running LiPo batteries on how sensitive they are two any amount of overcharging. I'm really surprised they went with lithium ion and not nickel hydride or a different  chemistry atleast until they work the bugs out of the electrical system
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2013, 10:11:56 PM »
Straight from the horses mouth, Just remember the Airbus 380 flew great right out of the barn  :lol


SERVICE REQUEST ID:     1-2394399263
ACCOUNT:                Boeing Correspondence (MOM)
PRODUCT TYPE:           Airplane
PRODUCT LINE:           787
PRODUCT:                787-8
ATA:                    0240-00
SUBJECT:  787-8 JA804A Diversion Event to Takamatsu, Japan - 16 January 2013

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On January 16th, a 787 operating scheduled serviced experienced what appears to be a main battery failure that resulted in a diversion.  The airplane was on a domestic flight from Yamaguchi (UBJ) to Haneda (HND).  The operator reported that the flight crew noticed several EICAS messages and noted an odor in the flight deck during cruise and subsequently diverted to Takamatsu (TAK).  The airplane landed safely and passengers and crew evacuated via the escape slides.  Initial reports indicate that there was one minor injury during the evacuation.  Weather was reported to have been clear at the time of the event.

This event is being investigated by the Japan Transport Safety Board (JTSB). The NTSB has appointed a U.S. accredited representative to the investigation, and the  FAA and Boeing will serve as technical advisers to the U.S. accredited representative. The U.S. team has dispatched to the scene today to assist the JTSB with their investigation. Per the provisions of ICAO Annex 13, all investigation related information will be released by the JTSB in this case. Boeing understands operator's need for information following events such as this. As such, we will strive to keep operators informed within the confines of Annex 13.

After landing, the main battery was found to have signs of damage as noted through visual inspection of the battery area.  Visual inspection of the Forward EE bay and the subject Main Battery, along with review of EICAS and Maintenance Messages suggest a failure originating within the Main Battery.  Initial photos and reports appear to indicate minimal damage to surrounding structure or systems.  The airplane which experienced this event was delivered in January 2012.  

As a result of this event, the affected 787 operator, and one other 787 operator, removed their 787 aircraft from service pending root cause identification and/or implementation of actions to minimize future occurrences.  Boeing is working with the appropriate authorities to determine root cause and if any effective actions can be implemented to identify batteries that may be susceptible to premature failure.  Boeing will share the results of these activities with all 787 Operators as they become available in accordance with the directives provided in Annex 13.

If you have further questions please contact your Boeing Field Service Representative, the appropriate Airline Support Manager or call the BCA Operations Center at (206) 544-7500. Attachments (when referenced) may be accessed by logging into MyBoeingFleet Service Requests or by contacting your Boeing Field Service Representative.


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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2013, 10:39:11 PM »
Straight from the horses mouth, Just remember the Airbus 380 flew great right out of the barn  :lol
You know, there is a reason I chose to compare it to the 777 and not the A380.  :p
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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2013, 01:08:30 AM »
Couple of thoughts:
1) Airplane 787-8 JA804A had been in service for over a year
2) The battery housing appeared to contain the overheat very nicely.
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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2013, 04:01:38 AM »
Quote
" When it outsourced design and risk and reward to a wide range of offshore suppliers, it actually murdered the Boeing that had made the 777, the 747 and, back at the beginning of the commercial jet age, the 707s and 727s."

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http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/01/19/dreamliner-787-battery-fires-burn-faa-and-media-too/
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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2013, 07:21:07 AM »
 Think the fumes given off by an overhreating lithium battery aren't too good for you .
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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2013, 05:23:40 PM »
If I remember correctly, didnt the Airbus A380 have a lot of issues in its first several months of operations as well?  Isnt it common for new planes to have issues in their early careers?

Issues yes, having the entire fleet grounded because of the severity of the issue, no.


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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2013, 05:29:20 PM »
My recommendation is to sell any Boeing stock you have. All of it. By the COB today. The sooner the better (Because I'm getting rich from buying low, selling at ceilings over the past 5 years.  :devil

Just short the stock, however it's been range bound for about three years. I'm looking forward to placing a short on Blackberry soon, once it's released and a few days later it's realised to be average at best like the iPhone5


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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2013, 05:33:22 PM »
Issues yes, having the entire fleet grounded because of the severity of the issue, no.


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Airbus 380 fleet was grounded by EASA early on for wing cracks.........

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