M3/C47 instant town resuplying---not fun, annoying

[ghi]

imop, the worst addition in this version. 
In the beginnings the Vbases used to  have 1 VH and 1 field gun, now are 4 VHs+1 FH+  a dozen of field guns; The Abases towns used to be small, without field guns was easy job for a P47D to destroy it all; now you need 8-10 heavy loaded planes only to turn the flag white and as you work on it, the m3s are rebuilding it instantly.  The FH.BH,VH have 15-20 min downtime without resupplying option, why is the town rebuilding ?  Well works both ways for defence, but makes bases capture more difficult , larger horde needed to capture and maps stalled for weeks.
 Ohh, i forgot this game is about promoting  air combat,; what to fight for? why would i fight and die to defend a base if i can drive a ridiculous short range icon stealth m3 in town and make some perks also ?  Same with the HQ raids, used to be fun high alt fights, but in this settings, more C47s are heading to HQ than fighters,  doesn't make sense to deffend or bomb it.
 

[Lusche]

the m3s are rebuilding it instantly.  

Not if you pork the enemy City. It takes only one single sortie to the City, and the town downtimes skyrocket to a level that players rarely bother to run M3s. (Must be psychological reasons - if downtime is 30mins, you will often find several players racing with supps to town, while when it's 70 minutes, the same 3-4 guys wont even bother, even though they still would cut down the time by a huge margin). And the downtimes stay that high for the next 3 hours.

And I think that's the whole point of the story - to broaden the gameplay and make the strats really worthwhile.

[ghi]

Not if you pork the enemy City.

The City can be resupplied also unrealistic quick even considering game time ;, but i understand is better perk paid job than bombing it; Did your grandfathers rebuild Dresden in 10-15 min, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month?

[Noir]

I was about to post a similar thread, IMO this new feature breaks an important part of the game - defense. What good does it bring to try to cap the town area when you can in most cases just ressup the town undetected? The attacking group needs to bring even more players to watch the spawn points, making a 'spontaneous' capture highly unlikely against just a few M3's.

Town buildings were a cornerstone of AH gameplay.

[Lusche]

The City can be resupplied also unrealistic quick even considering game time

Not really.
If you really get the enemy to start resupplying the City in force, which is necessary considering the meagre 4 minutes taken from the downtime of 180 minutes, you have won big time. Because that's alot of players missing from the frontline for a long time.
Resupplying the strats is a very ineffective way to wage war in AH.

I was about to post a similar thread, IMO this new feature breaks an important part of the game - defense. What good does it bring to try to cap the town area when you can in most cases just ressup the town undetected?

Not much. But again, it needs only one reasonably capable player to totaly change the situation for the next three hours, not to speak of porking barracks at the resupplying base or killing the VH there.


Interestingly the new resupply mechanism had about no impact on the amount of base captures or the time played per captured base at all, and maps are not staying up any longer than before. 

[The Fugitive]

3 formations of bombers flying at altitude (12-15k) Lead buffs drop VH then all buffs carpet bomb town. No resupply from VH, and town is either white flagged or darn close.

To do this how ever you need to not be running NOE, have skill at what your hitting from alt, and timing to pull in the escorts and goons at the right time.

With skilled players a dozen should be able to take a number of bases, after the single run to the city as Lusche said.

[mbailey]

Few things better than hearing troops running, and drop a box of supps and watch the town go blue flag 

[Tracerfi]

says the bishop 

[VonMessa]

The City can be resupplied also unrealistic quick even considering game time ;, but i understand is better perk paid job than bombing it; Did your grandfathers rebuild Dresden in 10-15 min, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month?

Have you ever been shot down in an airplane, but didn't really die and then got another new, free airplane to fly afterwards?

[Lusche]

FYI, the key capture stats for the recent past:



The new strat / resupply system was introduced in tour 151. I was very surprised it played out like it did, I was expecting a much higher impact on "the war", just like the change from the 'old' towns to the new, big one had.

Turned out I was quite wrong  

[Lusche]

If you really get the enemy to start resupplying the City in force, which is necessary considering the meagre 4 minutes taken from the downtime of 180 minutes, you have won big time. Because that's alot of players missing from the frontline for a long time.
Resupplying the strats is a very ineffective way to wage war in AH.

To illustrate that point, here are some numbers showing how much it takes to get the City (or any other single factory) back up by resupply.

Assuming it takes 10 mins for a single trip  to the strats in the goon (based on my own logs I'm keeping) and starting immediately when the strat target goes down:

[Noir]

charts don't measure fun 

[waystin2]

Send a couple of folks to the neighboring fields to pork troops (disables resupply) or kill vehicle hangars.  Problem solved.   

[MK-84]

charts don't measure fun 

It might for Luche

[Lusche]

charts don't measure fun  

Sorry for infusing a measure of reality

I was replying mostly to GHI and rebutting some of his points; namely that "maps are now stalled for weeks" due to the resupply. Fact is: We don't have less base captures and we don't have less map rotation due to the new setup.
Also I was countering his point that strats don't have that much impact on the town resupply as they are to easy to resupp themselves - which also isn't true.


My main argument still stands - one single strat run by a single player every few hours, and town resupply is hardly a factor, especially as strat defense is still limited these days.